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If you ask me, the real travesty in the Marissa Alexander case was that, when weighing putting a mother in prison for decades, the jury spent a whole twelve minutes debating.

As opposed to more than ten hours, for the Zimmerman case.


Except this is nothing like the Zimmerman case at all and comparing it to it is just showing the sad liberal hypocrisy, see first, they wanted SYG gone because of Zimmerman, even though he did not use it, now they want to bring it back to free Alexander.

But..

Sadly, this isn't a 'Stand your ground' case at all. It's a domestic argument between a married couple with a long history of abusing each other. The wife had just returned from the hospital the night before after giving birth (baby still at the hospital). She's mad at her husband because he's accused just her of having another man's baby. After retrieving a gun from a car in the garage, the wife shoots from the kitchen toward her husband who is with the kids in the living room. Using a gun to scare your husband by shooting at him is serious, especially when there are kids in in the same room or in the vicinity of where she is firing the gun. I have no problem with her getting the minimum sentence for this since she put her kids in danger first.

Zimmerman's trial did not use the stand your ground law.

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Historically, blacks were unable to defend themselves from the KKK or police who were corrupt because they were the only one's who had guns and black people couldn't obtain them legally, or would go to jail if they had obtained them legally, so no, the 2nd amendment was actually supported by the NRA for instance in an effort to allow black people to defend themselves from such threats.

I'd say it's the exact opposite, it means large roaming bands of crazed people can't just kill you without facing any resistance.


Also the Zimmerman trial was crap and everything, but he wasn't racist.

That's never been proven at all.


So if anything, gun control advocates, who were still democrats by the way, were the ones guilty of advocating a position which put black people at a disadvantage.
I always get a good ROFL at the people who suggest the 2nd Amendment is meant for racism.
When the gun-control activists disprove of non-whites arming themselves and pro-gun activists applaud when everyone arms themselves.

I mean it's obvious that the gun industry wants to expand their market, black or white, they don't care who buys. In fact, they want MORE to buy.
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Historically, blacks were unable to defend themselves from the KKK or police who were corrupt because they were the only one's who had guns and black people couldn't obtain them legally, or would go to jail if they had obtained them legally, so no, the 2nd amendment was actually supported by the NRA for instance in an effort to allow black people to defend themselves from such threats.

I'd say it's the exact opposite, it means large roaming bands of crazed people can't just kill you without facing any resistance.


Also the Zimmerman trial was crap and everything, but he wasn't racist.

That's never been proven at all.


So if anything, gun control advocates, who were still democrats by the way, were the ones guilty of advocating a position which put black people at a disadvantage.


Here's something I want to point out... i read about this years ago, but here it is again:


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When cocaine and alcohol meet inside a person, they create a third unique drug called cocaethylene. Cocaethylene works like cocaine, but with more euphoria.


So in 1863, when Parisian chemist Angelo Mariani combined coca and wine and started selling it, a butterfly did flap its wings. His Vin Marian became extremely popular. Jules Verne, Alexander Dumas, and Arthur Conan Doyle were among literary figures said to have used it, and the chief rabbi of France said, "Praise be to Mariani's wine!"

Pope Leo XIII reportedly carried a flask of it regularly and gave Mariani a medal.

Seeing this commercial success, Dr. John Stith Pemberton in Atlanta -- himself a morphine addict following an injury in the Civil War -- set out to make his own version. He called it Pemberton's French Wine Coca and marketed it as a panacea. Among many fantastic claims, he called it "a most wonderful invigorator of sexual organs."


But as Pemberton's business started to take off, a prohibition was passed in his county in Georgia (a local one that predated the 18th Amendment by 34 years). Soon French Wine Coca was illegal -- because of the alcohol, not the cocaine.

Pemberton remained a step ahead, though. He replaced the wine in the formula with (healthier?) sugar syrup. His new product debuted in 1886: "Coca-Cola: The temperance drink."

After that, as Grace Elizabeth Hale recounted recently in the The New York Times, Coca-Cola "quickly caught on as an 'intellectual beverage' among well-off whites." But when the company started selling it in bottles in 1899, minorities who couldn't get into the segregated soda fountains suddenly had access to it.

Hale explains:

Anyone with a nickel, black or white, could now drink the cocaine-infused beverage. Middle-class whites worried that soft drinks were contributing to what they saw as exploding cocaine use among African-Americans. Southern newspapers reported that "negro cocaine fiends" were raping white women, the police powerless to stop them. By 1903, [then-manager of Coca-Cola Asa Griggs] Candler had bowed to white fears (and a wave of anti-narcotics legislation), removing the cocaine and adding more sugar and caffeine.

Hale's account of the role of racism and social injustice in Coca-Cola's removal of coca is corroborated by the attitudes that the shaped subsequent U.S. cocaine regulation movement. Cocaine wasn't even illegal until 1914 -- 11 years after Coca-Cola's change -- but a massive surge in cocaine use was at its peak at the turn of the century. Recreational use increased five-fold in a period of less than two decades. During that time, racially oriented arguments about rape and other violence, and social effects more so than physical health concerns, came to shape the discussion. The same hypersexuality that was touted as a selling point during the short-lived glory days of Vin Mariani was now a crux of cocaine's bigoted indictment. U.S. State Department official Dr. Hamilton Wright said in 1910, "The use of cocaine by the negroes of the South is one of the most elusive and troublesome questions which confront the enforcement of the law ... often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the negroes." Dr. Edward Williams described in the Medical Standard in 1914, "The negro who has become a cocaine-doper is a constant menace to his community. His whole nature is changed for the worse ... timid negroes develop a degree of 'Dutch courage' which is sometimes almost incredible."


Now I want you guys to think about this story when you look at the history of the saturday night special:

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Detroit resident General Laney is the founder and prime mover behind a little publicized organization known as the National Black Sportsman's Association, often referred to as "the black gun lobby." Laney pulls no punches when asked his opinion of gun control: "Gun control is really race control. People who embrace gun control are really racists in nature. All gun laws have been enacted to control certain classes of people, mainly black people, but the same laws used to control blacks are being used to disarm white people as well."

Laney is not the first to make this observation. Indeed, allied with sportsmen in vocal opposition to gun controls in the 1960s were the militant Black Panthers. Panther Minister of Information, Eldridge Cleaver noted in 1968: "Some very interesting laws are being passed. They don't name me; they don't say, take the guns away from the niggers. They say that people will no longer be allowed to have (guns). They don't pass these rules and these regulations specifically for black people, they have to pass them in a way that will take in everybody."

Some white liberals have said essentially the same thing. Investigative reporter Robert Sherrill, himself no lover of guns, concluded in his book The Saturday Night Special that the object of the Gun Control Act of 1968 was black control rather than gun control. According to Sherrill, Congress was so panicked by the ghetto riots of 1967 and 1968 that it passed the act to "shut off weapons access to blacks, and since they (Congress) probably associated cheap guns with ghetto blacks and thought cheapness was peculiarly the characteristic of imported military surplus and the mail-order traffic, they decided to cut off these sources while leaving over-the-counter purchases open to the affluent." Congressional motivations may have been more complex than Sherrill suggests, but keeping blacks from acquiring guns was certainly a large part of that motivation. (Incidentally, the Senate has passed legislation that would repeal the more-onerous provisions of the 1968 act. The bill faces an uncertain future in the House of Representatives.)

There is little doubt that the earliest gun controls in the United States were blatantly racist and elitist in their intent. San Francisco civil-liberties attorney Don B. Kates, Jr., an opponent of gun prohibitions with impeccable liberal credentials (he has been a clerk for radical lawyer William Kunstler, a civil rights activist in the South, and an Office of Economic Opportunity lawyer), describes early gun control efforts in his book Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptic Speak Out. As Kates documents, prohibitions against the sale of cheap handguns originated in the post-Civil War South. Small pistols selling for as little as 50 or 60 cents became available in the 1870s and '80s, and since they could be afforded by recently emancipated blacks and poor whites (whom agrarian agitators of the time were encouraging to ally for economic and political purposes), these guns constituted a significant threat to a southern establishment interested in maintaining the traditional structure.

Consequently, Kates notes, in 1870 Tennessee banned "selling all but 'the Army and Navy model' handgun, i.e., the most expensive one, which was beyond the means of most blacks and laboring people." In 1881, Arkansas enacted an almost identical ban on the sale of cheap revolvers, while in 1902, South Carolina banned the sale of handguns to all but "sheriffs and their special deputies--i.e., company goons and the KKK." In 1893 and 1907, respectively, Alabama and Texas attempted to put handguns out of the reach of blacks and poor whites through "extremely heavy business and/or transactional taxes" on the sale of such weapons. In the other Deep South states, slavery-era bans on arms possession by blacks continued to be enforced by hook or by crook.

The cheap revolvers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were referred to as "Suicide Specials," the "Saturday Night Special" label not becoming widespread until reformers and politicians took up the gun control cause during the 1960s. The source of this recent concern about cheap revolvers, as their new label suggests, has much in common with the concerns of the gunlaw initiators of the post-Civil War South. As B. Bruce-Briggs has written in the Public Interest, "It is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday Night Special' is emphasized because it is cheap and is being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence--the reference is to 'niggertown Saturday night.'"

Those who argue that the concern about cheap handguns is justified because these guns are used in most crimes should take note of Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime, and Violence in America, by sociologists James D. Wright, Peter H. Rossi, and Kathleen Daly. The authors, who undertook an exhaustive, federally funded, critical review of gun issue research, found no conclusive proof that cheap handguns are used in crime more often than expensive handguns. (Interestingly, the makers of quality arms, trying to stifle competition, have sometimes supported bans on cheap handguns and on the importation of of cheap military surplus weapons. Kates observes that the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned mail-order gun sales and the importation of military surplus firearms, "was something domestic manufacturers had been impotently urging for decades." wink But the evidence leads one to the conclusion that cheap handguns are considered threatening primarily because minorities and poor whites can afford them.

Attempts to regulate the possession of firearms began in the northern states during the early part of the 20th century, and although these regulations had a different focus from those that had been concocted in the South, they were no less racist and elitist in effect or intent. Rather than trying to keep handguns out of the price range that blacks and the poor could afford, New York's trend-setting Sullivan Law, enacted in 1911, required a police permit for legal possession of a handgun. This law made it possible for the police to screen applicants for permits to posses handguns, and while such a requirement may seem reasonable, it can and has been abused.

Members of groups not in favor with the political establishment or the police are automatically suspect and can easily be denied permits. For instance, when the Sullivan Law was enacted, southern and eastern European immigrants were considered racially inferior and religiously and ideologically suspect. (Many were Catholics or Jews, and a disproportionate number were anarchists or socialists.) Professor L. Kennett, coauthor of the authoritative history The Gun in America, has noted that the measure was designed to "strike hardest at the foreign-born element," particularly Italians. Southern and eastern European immigrants found it almost impossible to obtain gun permits.

Over the years, application of the Sullivan Law has become increasingly elitist as the police seldom grant handgun permits to any but the wealthy or the politically influential. A beautiful example of this hypocritical elitism is the fact that while the New York Times often editorializes against the private possession of handguns, the publisher of that newspaper, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, has a hard-to-get permit to own and carry a handgun. Another such permit is held by the husband of Dr. Joyce Brothers, the pop psychologist who has claimed that firearms ownership is indicative of male sexual inadequacy.


Now I don't know why my brain puts both of these memories in the same spot to the point that I thought they came from the same article, but maybe you can see the connection:

late 1800s to early 1900s. Good product, made available to everyone. Made people happy, healthy, and safe. Elitists and Racists step in and demonize product, modify it, make laws to cripple or ban that product. In both cases blacks are blamed. ATF, DEA... yeah, right. It's Federally Funded Racism.

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Some of the strongest opponents of gun control were black mayors of Detroit who knew that if they regulated guns in their city, the white suburbs would still have them.
You know, I'm so tired of seeing the race card thrown every which way. I've come to the conclusion that Black Americans are just a bunch of whiny, petulant children, throwing an ongoing, massive temper tantrum, because they want everything and they want it now.

Sure, you still face racism in this country, and yes there are still white racists, but you also riot, murder white people, murder each other, run to the media and cry and kick, and scream about racism on a daily basis, all over silly s**t like "dat white guy called me racist!!1!1!!" Paula Deane is a fine example; she made a racist remark, 30 years ago, and she gets hell for it.

Any black person, like Jeremiah Wright, or the New Black Panthers, or hell, most black celebrities, can call for the deaths of white people, and nobody even bats an eyelash.

Black people are EVERY bit as racist as white people. To pretend otherwise is racist and ignorant.

Meanwhile, there are people suffering real discrimination in other parts of the world. Muslims facing genocide in Africa, Christians facing genocide in the middle east, Gays are being attacked and beaten in Russia, etc, etc. You have it WAY better here in America than people in, say, Africa or India. And you're going to b***h because that white guy looked at you funny?

And you're all going to kick, and scream, and cry because Paual Dean said the "n" word 30 years ago? No wonder black people in other nations have no respect for you. You don't deserve it. They face worse, and you don't see them throwing hissy fits.

That's not to say all Black Americans are like that. I have the utmost respect for men like Bill Cosby, Ben Carson, Pastor Manning, Jonathan Gentry, and Mychael Massie. They made something of themselves without resorting to trying to make white people feel guilty by throwing around that race card.





http://www.amazon.com/The-Un-Civil-War-Confronting-African-American/dp/0615748473/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415109451&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+uncivial+war

http://mychal-massie.com/premium/how-has-this-helped-blacks/

Oh, but that's right; all educated black people, who point out your bullshit, are Uncle Toms!

Pathetic...

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To think that the second amendment is a tool to encourage racism is as ignorant as racism itself. The problem with ANY law, is the use, and interpretation of it. That's the job our judicial system takes on.

BTW, tools are just tools. They help to aid someone to perform a specific task. A nail gun for example, is a much easier tool to nail boards, 2x4's etc. It is not inherently evil.

So it is not the tools to blame, but our judicial system. It is FLAWED, and its flaws are well documented.
last time i checked, the second ammendment allows white people and black people and the complete in-between spectra to bear arms.

There is no racism.

If you want to be a city like Chicago and ban firearms and wish to rejoice in this statistic because you stopped law abiding citizens from owning guns,

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In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before.
because obviously murderers and thieves do not follow the law, then that's your prerogative.

Chicago moving in the right direction by having almost 1900 shootings is obnoxious, even if its '24 percent' lower.

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Absolutely not, and I hope no one else thinks along these ill-informed, narrow-minded lines (no offense really to the OP, this is in regards to that ludicrous study).

The 2nd Amendment is a human rights issue -- it has zero to do with racism. Of course, I'm not surprised it's being spun that way when you consider how terribly Obama has worsened race relations since being elected.

Governments don't like guns period because as long as the People are armed, they'll be harder to oppress as a whole -- black, white, yellow, pink, whatever color they are.

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