Crisis? Case Closed.

[g00kie_m0nster]

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Victory-Neo

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

has anyone figured out batman's timeline yet?

No one has, and that includes the writing and editorial staff.

Its essentually, "hey we want to start everything over, but we want to keep all the Batman stuff so everything that he did happened in five years."

so... basically dc wanted to do a complete revamp to not be tied down with continuity problems, only to have a new universe with continuity problems?

Exactly. This is what happens when editors decide they should be writers and writers decide to be editors, and they probably shouldn't have either job.

And let's not forget about illustrators that decide that they should be writers as well *coughScottMcDanielcough*. I was really looking forward to Static Shock, especially with John Rozum at the helm, but McDaniel and whoever-was-the-editor-at-the-time kinda ganged up on Rozum and hogged the story.... evil

...and then we've another Scott (Lobdell, in this case) who managed to singlehandedly clash, plot/character-wise, with several other Bat-books and create continuity problems just because he decided to change "Tim Drake"/Not-Robin's origin... burning_eyes

[Chaindragger]

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

has anyone figured out batman's timeline yet?

No one has, and that includes the writing and editorial staff.

Its essentually, "hey we want to start everything over, but we want to keep all the Batman stuff so everything that he did happened in five years."

so... basically dc wanted to do a complete revamp to not be tied down with continuity problems, only to have a new universe with continuity problems?

Exactly. This is what happens when editors decide they should be writers and writers decide to be editors, and they probably shouldn't have either job.

And let's not forget about illustrators that decide that they should be writers as well *coughScottMcDanielcough*. I was really looking forward to Static Shock, especially with John Rozum at the helm, but McDaniel and whoever-was-the-editor-at-the-time kinda ganged up on Rozum and hogged the story.... evil

...and then we've another Scott (Lobdell, in this case) who managed to singlehandedly clash, plot/character-wise, with several other Bat-books and create continuity problems just because he decided to change "Tim Drake"/Not-Robin's origin... burning_eyes

Some artists have the ability to write, but not all of them, not even close. We're basically seeing all the bad ideas from the 90s, like the assumption that artist can write well, being revisited and its a train wreck.

[g00kie_m0nster]

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g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

has anyone figured out batman's timeline yet?

No one has, and that includes the writing and editorial staff.

Its essentually, "hey we want to start everything over, but we want to keep all the Batman stuff so everything that he did happened in five years."

so... basically dc wanted to do a complete revamp to not be tied down with continuity problems, only to have a new universe with continuity problems?

Exactly. This is what happens when editors decide they should be writers and writers decide to be editors, and they probably shouldn't have either job.

And let's not forget about illustrators that decide that they should be writers as well *coughScottMcDanielcough*. I was really looking forward to Static Shock, especially with John Rozum at the helm, but McDaniel and whoever-was-the-editor-at-the-time kinda ganged up on Rozum and hogged the story.... evil

...and then we've another Scott (Lobdell, in this case) who managed to singlehandedly clash, plot/character-wise, with several other Bat-books and create continuity problems just because he decided to change "Tim Drake"/Not-Robin's origin... burning_eyes

Some artists have the ability to write, but not all of them, not even close. We're basically seeing all the bad ideas from the 90s, like the assumption that artist can write well, being revisited and its a train wreck.

Why can't the '90's stay back in the '90's? Even a lot of the comics from back then didn't age very well!

However, from what I heard, post-Flashpoint, Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato have been doing well as co-writers/illustrators for The Flash, whilst J.H. Williams III has been co-writing and illustrating Batwoman for the most part.

[Chaindragger]

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

so... basically dc wanted to do a complete revamp to not be tied down with continuity problems, only to have a new universe with continuity problems?

Exactly. This is what happens when editors decide they should be writers and writers decide to be editors, and they probably shouldn't have either job.

And let's not forget about illustrators that decide that they should be writers as well *coughScottMcDanielcough*. I was really looking forward to Static Shock, especially with John Rozum at the helm, but McDaniel and whoever-was-the-editor-at-the-time kinda ganged up on Rozum and hogged the story.... evil

...and then we've another Scott (Lobdell, in this case) who managed to singlehandedly clash, plot/character-wise, with several other Bat-books and create continuity problems just because he decided to change "Tim Drake"/Not-Robin's origin... burning_eyes

Some artists have the ability to write, but not all of them, not even close. We're basically seeing all the bad ideas from the 90s, like the assumption that artist can write well, being revisited and its a train wreck.

Why can't the '90's stay back in the '90's? Even a lot of the comics from back then didn't age very well!

However, from what I heard, post-Flashpoint, Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato have been doing well as co-writers/illustrators for The Flash, whilst J.H. Williams III has been co-writing and illustrating Batwoman for the most part.

I read JH3's first Batwoman issue that he did pre-re-boot, which shall henceforth be known as the "good ol days", while I love his artwork, that story was completely unimpressive.

[g00kie_m0nster]

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g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

Victory-Neo

so... basically dc wanted to do a complete revamp to not be tied down with continuity problems, only to have a new universe with continuity problems?

Exactly. This is what happens when editors decide they should be writers and writers decide to be editors, and they probably shouldn't have either job.

And let's not forget about illustrators that decide that they should be writers as well *coughScottMcDanielcough*. I was really looking forward to Static Shock, especially with John Rozum at the helm, but McDaniel and whoever-was-the-editor-at-the-time kinda ganged up on Rozum and hogged the story.... evil

...and then we've another Scott (Lobdell, in this case) who managed to singlehandedly clash, plot/character-wise, with several other Bat-books and create continuity problems just because he decided to change "Tim Drake"/Not-Robin's origin... burning_eyes

Some artists have the ability to write, but not all of them, not even close. We're basically seeing all the bad ideas from the 90s, like the assumption that artist can write well, being revisited and its a train wreck.

Why can't the '90's stay back in the '90's? Even a lot of the comics from back then didn't age very well!

However, from what I heard, post-Flashpoint, Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato have been doing well as co-writers/illustrators for The Flash, whilst J.H. Williams III has been co-writing and illustrating Batwoman for the most part.

I read JH3's first Batwoman issue that he did pre-re-boot, which shall henceforth be known as the "good ol days", while I love his artwork, that story was completely unimpressive.

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

[Chaindragger]

g00kie_m0nster

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

They did like a Batwoman 0 issues that JH# did some writing on.

[g00kie_m0nster]

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g00kie_m0nster

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

They did like a Batwoman 0 issues that JH# did some writing on.

Ah, that one. Guess they were a trendsetter of sorts with #0 issues. I didn't think much of it either, but I rather liked Amy Reeder's art in it, especially the look on Kate's face in the library (or was it bookstore?) when undercover Bruce bumped into her. XD

[Chaindragger]

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

They did like a Batwoman 0 issues that JH# did some writing on.

Ah, that one. Guess they were a trendsetter of sorts with #0 issues. I didn't think much of it either, but I rather liked Amy Reeder's art in it, especially the look on Kate's face in the library (or was it bookstore?) when undercover Bruce bumped into her. XD

I like Amy Reeder's aerwork quite a bit. The main thing that just killed the entire issue for me was in batman's narration that Kate had created an entirely new martial arts move and the looking at the panel all i could think was "Wow, Batman doesn't know Capoeira."

[g00kie_m0nster]

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g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

They did like a Batwoman 0 issues that JH# did some writing on.

Ah, that one. Guess they were a trendsetter of sorts with #0 issues. I didn't think much of it either, but I rather liked Amy Reeder's art in it, especially the look on Kate's face in the library (or was it bookstore?) when undercover Bruce bumped into her. XD

I like Amy Reeder's aerwork quite a bit. The main thing that just killed the entire issue for me was in batman's narration that Kate had created an entirely new martial arts move and the looking at the panel all i could think was "Wow, Batman doesn't know Capoeira."

Williams being another writer that should stick to art (in terms of plot/continuity), then? >>"

It's possible that Batman might not have heard of Capoeira, although unlikely as he's supposed to have travelled around the world learning various martial arts. I miss Greg Rucka </3

[Victory-Neo]

the problem is the writers are trying to be the superstars and the artists doesn't do any research and editors are not stern with them when the writers don't pay any attention to continuity. i remember watching a video of scott lobdell and the topic of lian harper was brought up. lobdell acknowledged the the fans of red arrow/arsenal disapointment of lian not being in the new 52, but, he didn't even care. he showed no concern for it. at. all!

[Chaindragger]

Editorial really has gone downhill steadily for a good decade now. I think Tomasi was the last one I really had a bit of respect for.

[shanejayell]

The Editors don't know what's going on either. It sounds like a lot of changes are coming from the Didiot on down, with the editors having to try to make it work.... dramallama

[Max Mercury]

shanejayell

Chaindragger

The Gutters has made the claim that Gail Simone could set Dan DiDio on fire and still keep her job.

Anyone else want to see that theory tested?

rofl rofl rofl

YES!!!!!!!

[Max Mercury]

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Chaindragger

g00kie_m0nster

Did Williams write any of the issues, pre-reboot? I thought that was Rucka, with Williams all post-reboot.

Sadly, it's turned out that DCU pre-reboot would indeed be classifed "the good ol' days", at least amongst the fans who've been following some of our favourite characters since forever. Maybe if "The New 52!" was something like an alternate universe à la Marvel's "Ultimate" line.

They did like a Batwoman 0 issues that JH# did some writing on.

Ah, that one. Guess they were a trendsetter of sorts with #0 issues. I didn't think much of it either, but I rather liked Amy Reeder's art in it, especially the look on Kate's face in the library (or was it bookstore?) when undercover Bruce bumped into her. XD

I like Amy Reeder's aerwork quite a bit. The main thing that just killed the entire issue for me was in batman's narration that Kate had created an entirely new martial arts move and the looking at the panel all i could think was "Wow, Batman doesn't know Capoeira."

Williams being another writer that should stick to art (in terms of plot/continuity), then? >>"

It's possible that Batman might not have heard of Capoeira, although unlikely as he's supposed to have travelled around the world learning various martial arts. I miss Greg Rucka </3

Considering d**k Grayson's fighting style has been noted to contain capoeira moves (which
seems obvious with his acrobatic style), that's pretty unlikely.
In fact, Bruce is experienced in whole schools of fighting he's not a master of. He once trained
Tim and confined his moves to a family of styles from one country. And in Knightsend,
in the middle of a fight on moving cars on a freeway, Bruce was trying to identify the specific
style of his opponent, running through a list of names in his head.

[shanejayell]

And the Justice League movie is in trouble. Again. rofl