Short, simple analysis of anime by a situationist

[TheSituationist]

Jimmedy

TheSituationist

Jimmedy

TheSituationist

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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

Then "vacation" wouldn't exist.
I don't like this "everything is free". I like earning things- working for it. Not skipping through fields and having everything of my desire for free.
Life would be so boring if it was a vacation. Nothing to strive for.

In such a society, the motive for productive activity would arise from the lack of obligation to work. In fact, productive activity might actually be enjoyable instead of being work. As Bob Black said, "Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced."

Work would still be obligatory.
If we go to that world- we would have to work on growing/getting food, getting water, making clothes, etc.
Hunting and gathering and all that.
Then people will begin getting too lazy or the lack of time to hunt and gather for food, make their own clothes, get their own water, so they end up paying someone else to do it.
And then employment begins again.

Perhaps I should clarify. In this society there would be no system of money. This is because there would be no need for money as the distribution of goods is already decided. Everything would be free basically. Production will also be free. You can choose to produce something for 20 hours a day or 0 hours a day, it's your choice. And it would be slightly more enjoyable because it wouldn't be forced. You can turn things that are fun into work. Imagine spending all day getting paid to level up someone else's Pokemon. Yeah, in a normal context it would be fun, however, doing it every day for 8 hours, even when you don't want to would get boring. So why not turn work into fun? This can be done by first taking out the tedious jobs. I think we can eliminate accounting and such due to the absence of money. After we get rid of those, we can give someone who is supposed to be the worker creative control. For example the restaurant industry. Chefs are supposed to blindly follow orders and meet their quota. You're basically turning an art into a job. The restaurant can be replaced with the communal kitchen and the cooks should not be rushed in order so that what they have to do becomes enjoyable. I would recommend Bob Black's "The Abolition of Work" for further information. Here's a link to an audio version to save your eyes some major reading: http://www.audioanarchy.org/antiwork.html

[-_ChickenBiscuitJr_-cbjr]

TheSituationist

-_ChickenBiscuitJr_-cbjr

TheSituationist

-_ChickenBiscuitJr_-cbjr

TheSituationist

-_ChickenBiscuitJr_-cbjr

So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

I have to deal with life everyday. The Navy isn't that easy, man. There's bullshit everyday.

I surely hope you don't have a reason for joining the Navy other than getting free collegez. Duty to my country my a**.

No I didn't join for no ******** college! I don't even want to get back to school b***h. And to think that most people don't even get to go to college because they arre dying for your country! Don't ******** say some stupid s**t like that! I could die at any time for this country and you wanna say it's for money for ******** college! Don't ******** make me laugh you son of a b***h! Just to think that you would think that's how it is for every single person who's joined the military. Tell me are you in the military? Is someone you know in the military? Unless you know what it's like? Don't ******** critisize us! We are the ones who keep you ******** free a*****e!!!

My dad was in the military. Calm your self-righteousness the ******** down. I am surrounded by people who say such s**t. Be skeptical for once. Have you ever bothered to examine the underlying causes for every war World War I onward? It wasn't for freedom. It was to save our own a** from people from other countries trying to do something about our ruthless imperialism. Americans feel so justified in their efforts to spread democracy and free enterprise around the world so they can use their newly conquered colonies for cheap labor to exploit. Hell, the Iraq War wasn't even about Al-Qaeda. Bush used everybody's post-9/11 fears for an excuse to invade Iraq. The real reason we invaded Iraq is because Hussein cockblocked us from their oil supply. Oh how unjust it is to cut our businesses off their precious foreign that they can have an excuse to overprice! Next time, instead of reacting like some preconditioned tool, why don't you give me a reason to support this bullshit war.

Okay, I can see where I went a bit overboard. But I'm not saying to support the war or anything. I joined for my own reasons and not for this poor a** excuse for a war. That's just how I am. I don't even care for everyone's political view. Honestly I don't even know how to explain this to anyone for why I joined in the first place. Not for honor or for our country, not for college money or any of that s**t. I just hate everyone jumps to the conclusion that it's for college money.
All in all, we left the actual subject of your original discussion.

Win.

[Umesono]

TheSituationist

Umesono

TheSituationist

Umesono

TheSituationist

Umesono

Sure there's not substitute for real life experience. And I'm sure there are some minority out there who live vicariously through various mediums of entertainment including anime. But entertainment also serves a purpose of escapism. The escapist quality of entertainment today revolves around that fact that we can for while distract ourselves from the stresses or issues in our own lives and be immersed in someone else's plot or the fact while I may never want or be able to experience X I can get a sense of what X would be like via entertainment (such as movies, animes or music). I don't think there's anything wrong with this, if we didn't have a means of escapism in Industrialized culture we'd likely all go insane with stress.

Also I think today's culture is a lot more complicated than the bourgeoise-proletariat dichotomy used in the past. You're not a slave by the way. Even though there is the macro structure of our society that has certain institutions in place that perpetuate the system we have now, you also have your individual free will and agency to decide if you want to continue with the system or not. There isn't much stopping you from saving up some money and quit you job and go do your traveling hippie thing. You can't deny to some degree you are actively choosing to stay within and participate in this system. And to some degree, yes it is because we believe/ or actually do need certain material things to function in this society but you obviously cannot say you are brainwashed into it. At the end of the day, you have your agency make decisions according to how you see fit. Don't get me wrong, I would actually love a simpler way of life but the fact is I wake up every day and make the choice to continue in this society as it exists. And if a little entertainment can make me feel better about that personal dilemma for a while, then I'll take it.

Of course you could just resist society. But that would create isolation which the end of it is the very reason for resisting society. It wouldn't change s**t either. Capitalism was the thing Marx hated the very most of all, however, he didn't just leave it. He tried to change it.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1895/settlement.htm
Perhaps some relevant information. It's not too long, it's only about slightly longer than everything I've said in this discussion so far.

Now you're talking like there's only one type of society. I meant what is stopping you from moving to a different country or region where there no capitalism? Even in socialist countries there is entertainment. And frankly look at the past societies that have tried socialism, didn't turn out too well did they? Not saying capitalist societies don't have their problems, but socialism is harder to employ successfully. And frankly, on a personal note I would never go for outright socialism. If you think capitalism is controlling you have no idea what socialism can and has lead to.

Never said I liked that variety of state socialism. I hate Stalin's variety of communism about as much as I hate our own society. You see, I am an anarchist. I believe in the system of ANARCHO-communism. But there is no such place I can move to. Somalia hasn't fully realized the power of mutual aid and how it can fix up that hellhole and set an example for the rest of the world. Exploitation not only comes from our bosses but also politicians of any sort. Had Russia foregone the Lenin step, maybe the country wouldn't have had all its poverty due to the Russian Civil War and the Cold War.

What in god's name is anarcho-communism? Who coined that? Isn't anarchy by definition a rejection of organized government? I have to say I whole heartedly reject your ideal political view. I'm not sure what the appeal is...

I'm not exactly sure how you can criticize something you don't understand. If you're going to attempt a legit criticism of something, drawing conclusions as soon as you hear the word sure does not help. And if you can't Wikipedia that s**t, you're lazy. Basically, anarchy is the rejection of leaders, and communism does not always refer to some "oh mah gawd the state is takin everything from us!" bullshit. Communism by this definition is the sharing of goods. Basically anarcho-communism is based off the principle of free consumption and voluntary production.

I think you misunderstood me. I had a good understanding of what anarcho-communism is just from the terms in the name. But like I said it sounds completely unrealistic and I think would have even more problems than our current system has. I don't even see how you would even being to implement a transition to that kind of system today.

Oh and about not wikipedia-ing that term, sorry man but I'm a f-ing grad student. I got real s**t to be researching and preparing for then my informal forum discussion on gaia for christ's sake. My point being, your expectation and inference of my supposed laziness is completely misplaced here on gaia.

[ChrysaTea]

Well, even with all this theory and whatnot, I wonder what people could do to create a world that they believe should exist.

[A Pastel Trainwreck]

TheSituationist

Jimmedy

TheSituationist

Jimmedy

TheSituationist

-_ChickenBiscuitJr_-cbjr

So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

Then "vacation" wouldn't exist.
I don't like this "everything is free". I like earning things- working for it. Not skipping through fields and having everything of my desire for free.
Life would be so boring if it was a vacation. Nothing to strive for.

In such a society, the motive for productive activity would arise from the lack of obligation to work. In fact, productive activity might actually be enjoyable instead of being work. As Bob Black said, "Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced."

Work would still be obligatory.
If we go to that world- we would have to work on growing/getting food, getting water, making clothes, etc.
Hunting and gathering and all that.
Then people will begin getting too lazy or the lack of time to hunt and gather for food, make their own clothes, get their own water, so they end up paying someone else to do it.
And then employment begins again.

Perhaps I should clarify. In this society there would be no system of money. This is because there would be no need for money as the distribution of goods is already decided. Everything would be free basically. Production will also be free. You can choose to produce something for 20 hours a day or 0 hours a day, it's your choice. And it would be slightly more enjoyable because it wouldn't be forced. You can turn things that are fun into work. Imagine spending all day getting paid to level up someone else's Pokemon. Yeah, in a normal context it would be fun, however, doing it every day for 8 hours, even when you don't want to would get boring. So why not turn work into fun? This can be done by first taking out the tedious jobs. I think we can eliminate accounting and such due to the absence of money. After we get rid of those, we can give someone who is supposed to be the worker creative control. For example the restaurant industry. Chefs are supposed to blindly follow orders and meet their quota. You're basically turning an art into a job. The restaurant can be replaced with the communal kitchen and the cooks should not be rushed in order so that what they have to do becomes enjoyable. I would recommend Bob Black's "The Abolition of Work" for further information. Here's a link to an audio version to save your eyes some major reading: http://www.audioanarchy.org/antiwork.html

Your socially stunted hermit side is showing through your misjudgment on the overall bothered-ness of our species. :
You'd be surprised at how lazy humans can be and i assure you that if food was free and it was up too us whether we wanted to work then a large majority would rather do other stuff than the important chores and eventually only a few will be supporting the vast majority of our race. at this point, where doing nothing is our normal lifestyle even doing something like going to collect food will become a chore. Humans will forever seek the greener pastures, but i assure you that we have it pretty good. Also i'd just like to point out that personally i find anime to be much more of a social activity than watching football.
I often do spend many hours watching and talking to my friends at school about anime, but it doesn't consume our lives like you seem to have been mislead... and rather i don't think anime was to blame that they became a social outcast but rather was all they were left with :,C