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You like the Parliamentary Federal System
Yes
50%
 50%  [ 4 ]
No, i like the existing system better
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
I choose another system (specify)
37%
 37%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 8


eBil xMArion hYbRid

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:09 am


This is a proposal of the Arroyo government ( and some other politicians from the opposition ) in case a charter change will be approved. I don't really understand much about politics but at least i have the idea, and if you have clearer knowledge about this thing please share us your knowledge.
With the proposed system (i can only site a few):
1. Resources / funds will be focused on the state itself meaning the income of a certain state will solely/mostly be used by the state itself unlike in the old system wherein all funds are accumulated by a certain government body then it will divided and distributed according to certain criteria: (i know only some of it) the population of the municipality (or province i'm not sure), the annual income of the municipality, status of the municipality (eg. rural/urban) .. etc. This kind of distribution by criteria is done for each province, then divide it to each municipalities, then divide again to each barangay.

2. Passing of Bills/Laws will be easier because according to my readings, the executive will be directly and closely related to the Legislative thus approval of proposed bills/laws are done faster because of the unity of the Executive and the Legislative bodies. In the old presidential system, the Executive and the LEgislative are two entirely different and independent bodies making passage of bills more difficult because of the number of levels of approval needed, name from the Legislative then by the Executive.

3. Elections are done differently as compared to the old system. If i am not mistaken it'll be less expensive but the participation of the people are limited only to it's state then it's up to the state officials whom to choose as (president)prime minister(?) (im not sure of the preciseness of this paragraph so please inform us if you know better )

4. Each state shall have different sets of laws(?) specific to their state. (??? )




of course things may vary from one nation to another, there isn't exactly a specific rule on how to administer a certain government system .. so what i thought would happen in such a government system might or might just be implemented...



..What do you think?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:51 am


I hope this will work. I have waited for something like this to happen. Our voting system sucks.

This was explained to me by my dad. Don't expect it to be 100% accurate though.

A parliamentary system is a form of government where the bicameral system namely the senate and the congress are going to be just monocameral system just the parliament. The Parliaments are the ones that are going to be voted on the seat by the people. In turn, the parliaments act like senators and congressmen combined. However, the Prime Minister is going to be decided by the parliament itself. So, the people will have no power over the decision of the parliament. Which is good because we are TERRIBLE voters.

Katsumoto_Ryusaki89
Crew


alvhinne

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:42 am


we're not ready yet for such change... stare
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:50 pm


I don't like it...but since our nation is already in its desperate condition, I'll let it pass. At these moments Philippines is having, Filipinoes seems to be willing to try anything now, and the old system obviously sucks MAJOR a**. Despite how I sound cheery for the new system, I am not looking forward for it. I give it 1 or 2 decades, and It will be off to the kubeta.

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1. Resources / funds will be focused on the state itself meaning the income of a certain state will solely/mostly be used by the state itself unlike in the old system wherein all funds are accumulated by a certain government body then it will divided and distributed according to certain criteria: (i know only some of it) the population of the municipality (or province i'm not sure), the annual income of the municipality, status of the municipality (eg. rural/urban) .. etc. This kind of distribution by criteria is done for each province, then divide it to each municipalities, then divide again to each barangay.


To be perfectly honest, I love that part. I have nothing against it. The 'big boy provinces' should be the ones that get taken care first since they are the major contributors to the national prosperity. The other provinces should be self-sufficient..especially if they don't have a too big of a population to take care of.

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2. Passing of Bills/Laws will be easier because according to my readings, the executive will be directly and closely related to the Legislative thus approval of proposed bills/laws are done faster because of the unity of the Executive and the Legislative bodies. In the old presidential system, the Executive and the LEgislative are two entirely different and independent bodies making passage of bills more difficult because of the number of levels of approval needed, name from the Legislative then by the Executive.


I've seen this kind of thing in a show titled Ghost in the Shell (the show is based on a Japanese government body. The ministers get to talk about what kind of a bill it is...and in the process of discussing of what should be put in the bill, they are like approving what should be in the bill. The bills goes really fast. I.E.: in of the show's episode, the legislative house was able to pass an 'emergency' bill in just matters of hours (Opo mga kababayan! Sinabi kong "hours" maliban sa "days". Isipin mo--ang balagtasan ay maaring maglagay ng martial law sa buong bansa sa pamamagitan lang ng isa o dalawang oras! Yay Authoritariansim.).

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3. Elections are done differently as compared to the old system. If i am not mistaken it'll be less expensive but the participation of the people are limited only to it's state then it's up to the state officials whom to choose as (president)prime minister(?) (im not sure of the preciseness of this paragraph so please inform us if you know better )


That sucks. What happened to the grassroots? Despite how this could solve the problem "a President/Prime Minister cheating", it won't eliminate the problem (the Americans have this similar voting system, and Bush was able to cheat!). Parliamentary or Presidential--Philippine politics just sucks. PERIOD. The only way to fix it is to have a one-party system (similar to what China and Cuba has). What they should do is...have the people vote on the President/PM. Then, the Pres/PM will appoint their own Ministers that will be seated in the Parliament. The theory is--the elected Pres/PM is going to appoint Ministers that have similar platforms with the Pres/PM...so the Pres/PM would most likely appoint those that are in the Pres/PM's party.

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4. Each state shall have different sets of laws(?) specific to their state. (??? )


That's called federalism. You can't be a democratic nation without it...or so they say.


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of course things may vary from one nation to another, there isn't exactly a specific rule on how to administer a certain government system .. so what i thought would happen in such a government system might or might just be implemented...


So darn right. I suggest that we stop looking at other nation...and just focus on what the citizens of the friking Philippine Islands need.

Talumpati at Sinta
Vice Captain


LewaNuva

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:35 am


It could work... IF the philippines has stable politics and the political parties are actualy solid(i.e. They dont come out from nowhere and disapear after the elections...)
But the way the government is now it'll just be a cosmetic change...
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:46 am


dis will not work...... eh ang system natin ay papogi politics eh... ang parliament ay bagay sa mga partisan ideologically-driven people.... eh puro mga trapo politicians natin eh. so ayun, wala rin


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I'd suggest a civil council instead that is made up of about 500+ people from all walks of life from the lowly farmer to the wealthiest of tycoons... no political experience required... these peeps will make laws and policies.... chosen by random lots so equal opportunity for all.....

this is called demarchy

to ensure continuity and stability in the bureaucracy a special group is required made up of the intellectual "elite".... yung may alam talaga at yung walang paki sa pera (ie "philosopher-kings" -The Republic") Eto yung mga skilled people... ang trabaho nila bagay sa alam nila so..... doctor sa DOH, lawyer sa DOJ, soldier sa AFP, etc etc..... these peeps will handle internal afairs....


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if you'd notice.... this is Athenian democracy..

flashpoint
Captain


Talumpati at Sinta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:13 am


flashpoint
I''d suggest a civil council instead that is made up of about 500+ people from all walks of life from the lowly farmer to the wealthiest of tycoons... no political experience required... these peeps will make laws and policies.... chosen by random lots so equal opportunity for all.....

this is called demarchy

to ensure continuity and stability in the bureaucracy a special group is required made up of the intellectual "elite".... yung may alam talaga at yung walang paki sa pera (ie "philosopher-kings" -The Republic") Eto yung mga skilled people... ang trabaho nila bagay sa alam nila so..... doctor sa DOH, lawyer sa DOJ, soldier sa AFP, etc etc..... these peeps will handle internal afairs....


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if you''d notice.... this is Athenian democracy..
I doubt this one will work. Most of the middle class Filipinoes leave Philippines. So there are not a lot of those skilled workers such as doctors and stuff. Due to the brain drain, the balance between the class will tip over...so those money-humping bastards still get to control.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:19 am


Weed Unit Under Blue Sky
flashpoint
I''d suggest a civil council instead that is made up of about 500+ people from all walks of life from the lowly farmer to the wealthiest of tycoons... no political experience required... these peeps will make laws and policies.... chosen by random lots so equal opportunity for all.....

this is called demarchy

to ensure continuity and stability in the bureaucracy a special group is required made up of the intellectual "elite".... yung may alam talaga at yung walang paki sa pera (ie "philosopher-kings" -The Republic") Eto yung mga skilled people... ang trabaho nila bagay sa alam nila so..... doctor sa DOH, lawyer sa DOJ, soldier sa AFP, etc etc..... these peeps will handle internal afairs....


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if you''d notice.... this is Athenian democracy..
I doubt this one will work. Most of the middle class Filipinoes leave Philippines. So there are not a lot of those skilled workers such as doctors and stuff. Due to the brain drain, the balance between the class will tip over...so those money-humping bastards still get to control.


close emigration? bawal lumabas ng bansa ala NoKor

flashpoint
Captain


Talumpati at Sinta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:57 am


flashpoint
close emigration? bawal lumabas ng bansa ala NoKor
I heart that idea. ''Di ba ginawa iyan ni Ginoong Marcos? At saka, ano ang "NoKor"? North Korea?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:27 am


Please note that everything I say is completely hypothetical.

See, here's the problem with parliements. Let's say, Arroyo currently has a minority government over whatsisnamenewsguy(...I really can't remember his name >_>). She wants a bill passed over to uh... ban smoking. The opposition would now seek this chance to upsurp power from her; therefore they'll unanimously vote against it and this is what we call vote of non confidence. In this case, she'll be forced yo either resign or hold an election. Either way, she'll be out of power.

In that state that the politicians are currently, everyone and their dog's grandma would run for president if they get the chance. We're just far too power hungry and corrupt for this to work-- we'll need a really stable government with decent politicians so that this would work.

I really have no faith in the politicians, the only political system I'd suggest would be capitalism. Yes, exactly what Marcos did. Provided the leader wouldn't squander everything he can, this would definately work. Has anyone realised that capitalism brought Singapore to where it is now?

Tap City


MistuhFieryCat

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:47 am


xMArion

1. Resources / funds will be focused on the state itself meaning the income of a certain state will solely/mostly be used by the state itself unlike in the old system wherein all funds are accumulated by a certain government body then it will divided and distributed according to certain criteria: (i know only some of it) the population of the municipality (or province i'm not sure), the annual income of the municipality, status of the municipality (eg. rural/urban) .. etc. This kind of distribution by criteria is done for each province, then divide it to each municipalities, then divide again to each barangay.


So, ang ibig mong sabihin dito ay bawat lalawigan ay parang buong Pilipinas. Instead of the money being accumulate by the whole government. The money taken from each province will only remain in that province? So all the provinces are all like mini Philippines because...ah blah blah...

sweatdrop
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:56 pm


Tylea
Please note that everything I say is completely hypothetical.

See, here's the problem with parliements. Let's say, Arroyo currently has a minority government over whatsisnamenewsguy(...I really can't remember his name >_>). She wants a bill passed over to uh... ban smoking. The opposition would now seek this chance to upsurp power from her; therefore they'll unanimously vote against it and this is what we call vote of non confidence. In this case, she'll be forced yo either resign or hold an election. Either way, she'll be out of power.
Parliamentary or Presidential, that kind of problem happens in a non-oneparty system. That stuff even happens in other nations such as the American Empire. When the legislative branch is under prevalent control by a different party of the executive branch, that is something they usuallly say "gaining control of the house(s)". Also, it's not that easy to force the chief executive to resign even if the chief is in the minority party/coalition.

Tylea
I really have no faith in the politicians, the only political system I'd suggest would be capitalism. Yes, exactly what Marcos did. Provided the leader wouldn't squander everything he can, this would definately work. Has anyone realised that capitalism brought Singapore to where it is now?
Forget capitalism. That stuff don't get bought by Filipinoes nowadays...especially with the communists still standing on their last knee. Our race have become a bunch of idiots to get in touch with economics. (Thanks to the brain drain.) If a Filipino does know some good economics, they would had to have learned it from a foreign nation. (Take a look at GMA as an example, she is a good economist, and she had studied in the American Empire to gain such knowledge.). Face it...we need something that works like capitalism, but is suitable to rule over idiotic mobs.

Forget capitalism. Try Fascism.

Talumpati at Sinta
Vice Captain


eBil xMArion hYbRid

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:50 pm


MistuhFieryCat
xMArion

1. Resources / funds will be focused on the state itself meaning the income of a certain state will solely/mostly be used by the state itself unlike in the old system wherein all funds are accumulated by a certain government body then it will divided and distributed according to certain criteria: (i know only some of it) the population of the municipality (or province i'm not sure), the annual income of the municipality, status of the municipality (eg. rural/urban) .. etc. This kind of distribution by criteria is done for each province, then divide it to each municipalities, then divide again to each barangay.


So, ang ibig mong sabihin dito ay bawat lalawigan ay parang buong Pilipinas. Instead of the money being accumulate by the whole government. The money taken from each province will only remain in that province? So all the provinces are all like mini Philippines because...ah blah blah...

sweatdrop


I believe its a yes. We're like independent territories although not 100% independent, and most likely there will be some percentage of the budget that the government will collect for obvious purposes (government expenses, not official's expenses)


Our politics has been very dirty for a considerable time now .. and if you put it, what have we to lose? We're sinking, and the old ways didn't work, it didn't help us out..
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:50 am


xMArion
MistuhFieryCat
xMArion

1. Resources / funds will be focused on the state itself meaning the income of a certain state will solely/mostly be used by the state itself unlike in the old system wherein all funds are accumulated by a certain government body then it will divided and distributed according to certain criteria: (i know only some of it) the population of the municipality (or province i'm not sure), the annual income of the municipality, status of the municipality (eg. rural/urban) .. etc. This kind of distribution by criteria is done for each province, then divide it to each municipalities, then divide again to each barangay.


So, ang ibig mong sabihin dito ay bawat lalawigan ay parang buong Pilipinas. Instead of the money being accumulate by the whole government. The money taken from each province will only remain in that province? So all the provinces are all like mini Philippines because...ah blah blah...

sweatdrop


I believe its a yes. We're like independent territories although not 100% independent, and most likely there will be some percentage of the budget that the government will collect for obvious purposes (government expenses, not official's expenses)


Our politics has been very dirty for a considerable time now .. and if you put it, what have we to lose? We're sinking, and the old ways didn't work, it didn't help us out..


But the parliament system will only increase the power of the people in the government, I doubt it would work with the politicians that we have today.

Tap City


rooftop gardener

Newbie Traveler

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:32 am


Honestly, I can't envision how the Parliamentary form of gov't will work in the Philippines because of the following..

- It will work in those countries which has a strong and strict political party but in the case of the Philippines where political butterflies are everywhere, I doubt it.

- filipinos don't vote for politicians who have a good platform or political ideology, we are voting for those who are charismatic.

- I fear the tendency of conspiracy. If the parliament and the prime minister came from the same political party, then there will be a big chance of covering each others wrong deed since disagreement in the parliament will cause a vote of no confidence.

- the vote of no confidence will only make the Philippine political system more unstable.

- In many parliamentary countries, there are two heads of the country. The first one will be the head of the state (prime minister) and the second one is the head of ceremony (president or the monarch). Is it possible that the two will have a harmonious relationship?

- Who will ammend the Philippine Constitution?

madami pa ko naiisip but I can't organize my thoughts.. next time na lang. ninja
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