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Nilou

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:10 pm


TN Walker Mare

This is a pretty horse but the way she is moving is not natural. She is in pain. Some of the techniques (certainly not all that is out there) I have heard of used for soring (which is what is done to the horse to make them gait this way) :application of mustard oil or croton oil to the pasterns, which causes burning and ulcerations -- then they put the leg chains over them, when the horse moves the leg chains hit the raw wounds, hurts and causes the horse to snap his front foot up high.
Some of the chemicals they apply to the legs are so toxic that the stable hands are at high risk for contracting cancer.
Pressure shoeing (this is even more fun because it is a lot easier to hide, can't see the abuse under those pads) -- trim down to live sole so horse is in pain when he puts foot down. Sometimes stones or nails are put under the pads. Sometimes liquid mercury is put inbetween pads, flows to toe as horse picks up foot forcing him to lift foot even higher.
The horses are supposedly checked for such abuse at the Big Lick shows. Checking can involve feeling the pasterns for scar tissue and assessing the horse for a pain response. many trainers "train" their horses not to react even when the painful area is palpated, by punishing them if they flinch, or by surreptiously lip/tongue twitching them as they are palpated.
Even more incredible, many of the "inspectors" are directly associated with the walking horse breeders and showers associations!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:26 am


Man That Poor Horsie the owner should go to prision for treating that horse this way

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stargazer42

PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:36 pm


I watched the whole video.... Worst thing I have EVER seen! That's such a horrible form of abuse! You should read the comment I left for that video (Account name ZeeMuffinQueen)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:43 pm


I don't want to sound like I support those cruel teatments( because I DON'T)But look at saddlebreds .Some people may say that trainers are cruel to put strechies ( two bands that go around the lower leg with rubber tubing attached to both sides to make horses hike their knees up to try to get out of them & pulling against the rubber) but that horse may be trained to pick it's feet up like that look at this vid of a american saddlebred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okf4iEPU7AQ ( tell me if u think this horse is in pain)

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horseluvrelisha

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:39 pm


...This is coming from someone who dislikes saddleseat in general to begin with. But that has got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. (Not the horse... just everything else.. like the way it's moving). That saddlebred isn't too far behind. Ugh.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:30 pm


I'm so #@$* sick and tired of stupid people being allowed to own animals! Look at that poor horse!

Saddlebred_Lover_247
I don't want to sound like I support those cruel teatments( because I DON'T)But look at saddlebreds .Some people may say that trainers are cruel to put strechies ( two bands that go around the lower leg with rubber tubing attached to both sides to make horses hike their knees up to try to get out of them & pulling against the rubber) but that horse may be trained to pick it's feet up like that look at this vid of a american saddlebred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okf4iEPU7AQ ( tell me if u think this horse is in pain)


No, the mare doesn't look like she is in pain. There are humane ways to train horses to move like that, but it still is natural from them. It takes a toll on them physically to be slinging their feet like that, espically with the added weight of shoes. Plus, parking out like that isn't good for thier backs espically with somebody sitting on them.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:21 pm


I've seen the TN video before, and I agree it's sick. I have no problem with people who trained their gaited for high action with safe and humane weights and a tailored excersise program, but so few people actually take the time. You CAN get amazing action and animation without using harsh methods, but it takes a lot of time (which these rich snobs don't want to waste), and a naturally talented horse.

What gets me are all the FUGLY men riding these beautiful animals. God, could they at least take an equitation lesson? Watching that poor mare park out - she was totally sagging from the weight! rolleyes Well, I guess they're just selling the horse to a rich brat anyway.

BTW, they don't park for long - only for the lineup at the end of a class.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:56 am


horseluvrelisha
...This is coming from someone who dislikes saddleseat in general to begin with. But that has got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. (Not the horse... just everything else.. like the way it's moving). That saddlebred isn't too far behind. Ugh.

That's saddlebreds for ya they are ment to pick their feet up & look showy.Three gaited horses don't move right but like my horse doesn't pick it's feet up that high

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Brat_and_a_half

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:31 pm


with TNWers, isnt that gait called the saddle? i read it in a book once, its like the rack, but different. it looks like a dog with broken hips in that video.
i hate saddle seat. i hate it how people are all like OOO! look at all that collection!! that isnt damn collection, thats pulling on a horses face. stare
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:41 am


I love saddleseat, LOVE it. I do not however, love the way that some people train their horses.

Nilou


Saddlebred_Lover_247

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:43 pm


I don'g agree with u brat_and_a_half .Collection isn't pilling on their mouth all the time but you also have to hang on to saddlebreds. Nilou I know that trainers can train their horses cruely ( btu with a $200,000 horse I wouldn't even think about it)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:09 pm


Saddlebred_Lover_247
I don'g agree with u brat_and_a_half .Collection isn't pilling on their mouth all the time but you also have to hang on to saddlebreds. Nilou I know that trainers can train their horses cruely ( btu with a $200,000 horse I wouldn't even think about it)


She knows. What she is saying is that a lot of saddleseat riders DON'T know that collection isn't just pulling on a horse's face; that a lot of saddleseat riders pull on the horse's face and then say 'oh what great collection' when that ISN'T what collection is.

horseluvrelisha


Saddlebred_Lover_247

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:26 pm


What do u mean Horseloversha?? 3-gaited horses are supposed to be verry collected.But some riders do hang on their horses mouth
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:39 pm


I think it would be easier if you each defined what collection is, in your opinion. Then we may have more of a conversation. wink

(And this is for everyone here - I want to emphasize that I am very lax when it comes to guild rules, and none of you, no matter how rudely and intensely you flame or fight, will be banned for doing so. However, the one thing that irks me are poor typing skills. PLEASE use that bloody 'Shift' key and use periods, commas, and colons in your sentences. I understand if your grammar and spelling are not the best, but try to put a little effort in.)

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