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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:06 pm
I kinda noticed latley that the majority of the posts on this forum are questions, or debates, only rarely there seems to be a normal discussion.
The funny thing is I'm noticing a lot of people who don't love the Lord (or let alone believe in Him) giving advice and their opinions on God related questions. Really I'm finding this ridiculous. I'm not talking about just the debate forum either.
Seriously though, why do atheists have an opinion on such issues? (or why do you guys allow them to say so much crap?) They don't have an opinion. Not any more than a blind man has an opinion on how a dress looks, or if the color composition works in a piece of art.
So really to summarize:
I wish there was a rule that if you don't believe in God, don't answer questions about Him.
People who love God- get some guts people, just because we want to be open to non-Christians doesn't mean we should let them say whatever they want on our pulpit if we can do something about it!
P.S. I cannot be flamed as I already am on fire, and I don't have to be mature to be right. Nyaah. whee
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:23 pm
It's a question I've asked myself several time: why do I have an opinion? It's always bothered me that, as an atheist, I have such a visceral negative reaction to the Calvinist doctrine of salvation, but I do. Also, I have a certain interest in the various ways in which people understand the nature of God, as well as in the various philosophical implications of God, such as the problem of evil, or the definition of omnipotence. I've also a passing interest in certain applications of Christian morality as it pertains to homosexuality and a strong interest in the ways in which on can interpret the first three chapters of Genesis.
Put simply, I think your analogy is flawed: one can be an atheist and still have an interest in the idea of God, whether one believes in it or not, rather as one can read Plato without agreeing with his Theory of Forms.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:46 pm
Ah I forgot to explain it in full:
Sure you have an opinion, Who doesn't?
But it doesn't count.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:03 pm
Firewasp Ah I forgot to explain it in full: Sure you have an opinion, Who doesn't? But it doesn't count. Well so much for the subtle tack. Point is, this guild is premised upon openness, and that means that no-one's opinions are arbitrarily discounted. So while it may pain you that there are unbelievers running amok in here, bear in mind that this is an internet forum, not a church, and that, as per the guild captain's intent, non-Christians also have a place at the table here too.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:12 pm
I know its an internet forum, but id just like to see (for once) a Christian forum that isn't hounded by non-Christians for once.
And yea, I used to have tact, but I sold it on E-bay for childish wisdom.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:39 pm
Firewasp I know its an internet forum, but id just like to see (for once) a Christian forum that isn't hounded by non-Christians for once. And yea, I used to have tact, but I sold it on E-bay for childish wisdom. not tact. Unless that was a pun, in which case I'll just say that I loath puns. On the topic of forums, though, I'd like to point out that as a public guild with pretty much no restrictions on membership, it'd be pretty much impossible to stop non-Christians from posting here, even if management thought that it was desireable (which we don't). You'd need a private guild with a stringent vetting system to effect the kind of environment you're looking for, and if you'd like to found such a guild or, at the very least, join one, then more power to you. It's just that this isn't that guild.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:25 am
 I don't ever want to be alone again...
Oh Course everyone has an opinion on it, but it just depends how they look at the evidence. If an atheist has never read the bible or studied it with a mind set of seeing it the way a Christian does (without necessarily believing in it) then they really have no say in the matter because their words have been filtered through their "atheist filter" if you will, and their words can not be found credible and don't really deserve an answer.
...Now that I have found a love that never ends.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:22 am
You don't have to be Christian to have an interest in God, or to know about him. Athiests could have studied the bible, trying to get into Christianity, and they just never understood. So they can come here to asks questions to help with their understanding, or to answer questions on what they do know, or question our responses to see how God affects our lives.
And besides, it wouldn't be very Christian/Jesus-like to kick them out and not have a say. "...Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."John 3:16 God loves us all, and he teaches that we should love everyone too. Plus we should not judge based off appearences, or beliefs. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-2. Just remember, W.W.J.D. What Would Jesus Do?
P.S. all scripture was taken from a NIV version of the bible.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:31 am
Firewasp Ah I forgot to explain it in full: Sure you have an opinion, Who doesn't? But it doesn't count. opinions count. Just because we are Christian does not give us 'opinionated athourity' over the world. There are obviously reasons as to why people choose to be athiest, or agnostic, or any other type of faith, or lack there of. This guild is for believers and non-believers alike. Everyone who is even remotely interested in Christianity should have the right and feel comfortable to post their opinions and to get the opinions of true Christians who may be able to instill good reason as to why our opinions are not as flawed as most of the world believes they are. Questions are what spark knowledge. Let the athiests ask and challenge us. If you know why you believe in Christianity and don't follow it blindly, then you can meet their challenges and not need to silence them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:24 pm
Sarcastic_Angel You don't have to be Christian to have an interest in God, or to know about him. Athiests could have studied the bible, trying to get into Christianity, and they just never understood. So they can come here to asks questions to help with their understanding, or to answer questions on what they do know, or question our responses to see how God affects our lives. And besides, it wouldn't be very Christian/Jesus-like to kick them out and not have a say. "...Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."John 3:16 God loves us all, and he teaches that we should love everyone too. Plus we should not judge based off appearences, or beliefs. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-2. Just remember, W.W.J.D. What Would Jesus Do? P.S. all scripture was taken from a NIV version of the bible.
I agree with you completely God's love should be open to anyone, but if atheists are going to debate about what the bible says, they should just stay away from those threads unless they are going there to have their minds changed..
...Now that I have found a love that never ends.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:22 pm
Firewasp I know its an internet forum, but id just like to see (for once) a Christian forum that isn't hounded by non-Christians for once. And yea, I used to have tact, but I sold it on E-bay for childish wisdom. I mean no disrespect my brother... But they have came here to learn, let them debate, they can learn. Now, shut up and use your brain!
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:26 pm
yea, See why im saying this is I know that the majority of the people on here are NOT the type that will ever change their mind. They come with their opinion and leave with it, nothing anybody says can change it. So I'm just saying, they don't count.
Or do you prefer not calling blind people blind because it's unkind to point out the obvious?
This isn't about love. To take an authoritive stance over stupidity is not unloving, otherwise parents would let their kids say or do anything they want.
They can ask questions, I never said they couldn't, I'm just saying they shouldn't answer alotof the questions.
Really, they have an opinion
but I like laughing at them because it doesn't count.
I'm surprised nobody understands me, even if I do seem rediculous,
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:23 pm
I'm a little puzzled by this thread. Of course atheists are allowed to have an opinion about God and discuss God. Having such a superiority complex really just makes you look like a prat, to be honest.
Plenty of atheists are very well-versed in the ways and teachings of Christianity and are more than able to answer questions regarding religious matters. I know a thing or two about Judaism through my best friends. Just because I personally am not a Jew doesn't mean that I don't know anything about the religion.
Actually, I've always been rather amused at how my atheist partner knows far more about Christian doctrine than most self-professed Christians I've spoken to.
Many atheists take an interest in matters of God/religions/Christianity for purely intellectual purposes. Just because they don't believe it's true doesn't mean that they don't know how it works, can't have a valid opinion about it, or answer people's questions on it.
Most people have studied Greek/Roman mythology to some extent. Are you saying that if you don't believe in the Greek gods, you can't have an opinion about them or answer questions about them? Because really, it's the same thing.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:51 pm
SinfulGuillotine I'm a little puzzled by this thread. Of course atheists are allowed to have an opinion about God and discuss God. Having such a superiority complex really just makes you look like a prat, to be honest. Plenty of atheists are very well-versed in the ways and teachings of Christianity and are more than able to answer questions regarding religious matters. I know a thing or two about Judaism through my best friends. Just because I personally am not a Jew doesn't mean that I don't know anything about the religion. Actually, I've always been rather amused at how my atheist partner knows far more about Christian doctrine than most self-professed Christians I've spoken to.Many atheists take an interest in matters of God/religions/Christianity for purely intellectual purposes. Just because they don't believe it's true doesn't mean that they don't know how it works, can't have a valid opinion about it, or answer people's questions on it. Most people have studied Greek/Roman mythology to some extent. Are you saying that if you don't believe in the Greek gods, you can't have an opinion about them or answer questions about them? Because really, it's the same thing. Indeed, I think this is the whole key to the thing. Just because they do not believe in our God, does not mean they would not want to be informed. What did Sun Tzu Say? "Knowing Yourself will win half the battles, knowing your eneies will win half the battles, but knowing yourself and your enemies will allow you to win all your battles." Personally, I don't want to have blind faith. I investigate and seek out proof and truth for my religion, and I would think most athiests would be the same. They want to know why they believe what they believe, and they've (probably) done some investigating into religion. I doubt most people are just like "I"m an Athiest! Whee! This should be fun!" I think that their opinion/arguments DEFINITELY do count. and they should be more than free to express them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:20 pm
[.ZaKid.] Indeed, I think this is the whole key to the thing. Just because they do not believe in our God, does not mean they would not want to be informed. What did Sun Tzu Say? "Knowing Yourself will win half the battles, knowing your eneies will win half the battles, but knowing yourself and your enemies will allow you to win all your battles." Personally, I don't want to have blind faith. I investigate and seek out proof and truth for my religion, and I would think most athiests would be the same. They want to know why they believe what they believe, and they've (probably) done some investigating into religion. I doubt most people are just like "I"m an Athiest! Whee! This should be fun!" I think that their opinion/arguments DEFINITELY do count. and they should be more than free to express them. Exactly. And it's not like atheists live in some sort of godless bubble. Many atheists were raised in a religious faith and/or have friends/relatives/significant others who practise a religious faith. And honestly, Christianity has had such an influence on western society that even someone who hasn't sat down and studied it intentionally will probably know a thing or two about it.
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