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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:57 am
This has been bothering me. I dont know who the good Group is in Death Note? Light, Misa, Mikami and Takada or L, Mello, Near and Matt?
Im staying small and netrual like the swiss.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:03 pm
well Raito's group is the main group but doesnt nessacrily(cant spell) mean that he's the good guy
i say L's side
Light started out good but went to killer crazy
if he just stuck to criminals instead of the whole trying to kill whos in his way thing
then it wouldve worked fine
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:10 pm
I can see were your coming from but L is only doing this because he is selfish, and wants to take part in this case.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:05 pm
I think that this is the real question behind the whole story. Both L and Light think that they are to good guys. In some ways they are but both are ultimately acting in there own best interests.
If I had to pick one though. I would say that Light was on the side of good. Though, only when he had lost his memories of the Death Note. During the time that he was handcuffed to L he made all of his decisions with a noble mindset. He refused to let anyone die and he wanted Kira caught. The moment that his memories returned we all new he had changed.
While he started out with noble intentions the death note warped his thinking. This made him not so much a villian as more of an anti-hero.
L on the other hand took the case of Kira because people were dying. In this way he started out as a noble character as well. L also however used hackers and con artists to get the job done. He wasn't afraid of doing villianous things any more than Light, he just didn't have a Death Note.
No heros. Just to incredibly smart and selfish people fighting for there own egos.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:08 pm
you have a point there.. I agreed.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:26 pm
...So, the true good group is... the Police Department(s)! exclaim
Tracius established that both L and Light were doing things that 'good guys' probably wouldn't. From that statement, we can assume that the only ones not using criminal means(allegedly) would be the Japanese Task Force. This is, of course, assuming that L's group only consists of Mello, Near, and Matt.
Therefor, they are the 'good group'.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:57 pm
Well, in a storyline sense, L is the bad guy.
In the if-Death-Note-was-real-life-sense, Light is the bad guy.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:04 pm
Well that would be a hard choice. L and Raito both have a strong sense of justice and are a lot alike but with one difference. The way they set out their goals. Raito uses fear to get his goals and L respect. i would say the bad gut is usually the one that uses fear. Though I will say this Raito did have good intensions at first but like alot of people with power it got to his head.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:06 am
Kira started out good but he ended up being selfish and power-crazy, killing anyone who got in his way.
L, while doing it for himself at the same time, is doing it because he believes Kira is wrong. He doesn't believe criminals should be killed.
Truly, I can't decide who's good either. I like L a lot more than Kira, but I don't necessarily think he's right. With the way things are, a lot of criminals get off on not enough evidence. That's the way L's fighting for. Kira is under the impression that all criminals should be killed, whether they're proved guilty or not. At first I didn't mind this thinking, seeing as how, once again, a lot of criminals go free. But then he went power hungry and all he cared about was being the God of a new world, killing whoever got in his way.
Well, I'd say my final decision would be L as the good guy, because despite the fact that he was also selfish, he wasn't willing to kill innocent people to get to his goal.
However, going by the view of the series, L is indeed the bad guy. The interesting thing about Death Note is that it has a more realistic spin on things - the villain (Light, as I see it) thinks he's doing the right thing. Most criminals see it that way, they don't think they're doing anything wrong.
Justice is all a point of view.
(Damn, this was a long response! Sorry bout that!)
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:03 am
Why Dorothy and Toto went over the rainbow: -- {SONATA} --What I think is that one of the major themes of Death Note is that there's no good nor evil "side" in Death Note-they're just all too human.
What a reader's philosophies on ethics and morality are will most likely influence them in the way they view the Kira side and the L side. The fact that I've seen a variety of Death Note fans being pro-L, pro-Kira, and many more in a gray area probably just proves it more. If Ohba truly wanted to make Raito evil, Raito would've been depicted and implied as such. If Ohba truly wanted to make L evil, L would've been depicted and implied as such. What keeps both of them from being defined into plain, black-and-white categories is that they both have the pure, abstract motive of absolute justice (which would obviously land in a "good" category) that conflict other's idea of absolute justice, it's just their methods that are questionable. And like some other users mentioned, their "justice" motive, even if they blatantly claim it, is most possibly just a cover for selfish reasons. Raito wants to reign as a god of that new utopia that he wants to create-you see in the first chapter, he acknowledges the world as a meaningless, rotten mess, but his immense self-righteous pride keeps him from acknolwedging his own life as "meaningless" and "rotten," so what better way to prove your own existence by becoming something omnipotent, controlling, and eternal? And L...I don't know, probably does it because he thinks it's interesting? We all know what happens to a genius with an idle mind, and I've mentioned him before, his name is Kira. It's because L's such an enigma, it's hard to know what his true motives are. But since, like Tracius posted, he also uses questionable measures to acheieve his goals, the fact that "he acting out of justice" is questionable. And either way, I don't think those can be sorted into one or the other. I think it's like trying to see if Javert from Les Miserables is good or evil; it's purely subjective.
And to choose another focus, since you stated the sides collectively, there's also Misa. Would she be considered good or evil? Obviously, being a mass murderer might earn her points in the "evil" category in some people's eyes, but she's really just doing it out of admiration of Kira; because he had avenged the murderer of her parents. She probably felt that Kira was a savior to her, and probably felt that she had no one else to live for, to the extent of becoming infatuated with Kira, and basically devoting her life to carrying out Kira's goal. Does the fact that one wants please whom one worships as a God, even if the method might be considered wrong, make one evil?
EDIT:// Oh my Shinigami, guess I got a bit carried away with my ranting there. o.o Apologies. ^^b To blow off Auntie Em!
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[~ Sonata Euphoriacide ~]
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:17 am
^ Amen. xD
Whether or not Light or L are evil depends on your own morals and values. I myself see nothing wrong with Light's original intentions and if the world of Death Note was real, I'd be supporting Kira, because I'd really consider the world a better place, therefore Light is good. But there are people who would consider all forms of murder wrong, and therefore Light is wrong/evil. In a way it sort of relates to the argument for or against capital punishment. Is it alright to kill someone who's evil or who has commited a crime? A person's views on that would probably effect their views on the good or bad guys of Death Note. Whether or not Light or L is the bad guy is all in the eye of the beholder. Like Sonata said, if Ohba wanted either of them to appear as the bad guy, they would've made it more obvious.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:05 am
Sekia-san Well that would be a hard choice. L and Raito both have a strong sense of justice and are a lot alike but with one difference. The way they set out their goals. Raito uses fear to get his goals and L respect. i would say the bad gut is usually the one that uses fear. Though I will say this Raito did have good intensions at first but like alot of people with power it got to his head. I see. So your calling light a TERRORIST!?!?!
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:14 am
Wow Im starting to get some great answers, and they are so in-depth. Thank you everyone who has given replys to my question.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:00 pm
I can't say. I picked L because he's cute and I like him more but that's beside the point. Reading this manga has givin me a new view of "Good and Evil" in the world. For example, on T.V. and in movies evil is easilly recognisable and usually has the villan wanting to "destroy the universe" or crud like that. And the good guys always win or end up winning and always do things that most people would to capture the villan. But that's not real life. Ohba shows a real and raw view of how blurry the line between good and evil are. In a way, Light's purpose of "purifying the world" was in fact, good. But it was outlined with selfishness and greed over power. L did things that would put others in danger or even get others killed without even batting an eye; while in T.V., the hero usually gets past the villan without purpously getting someone else killed. Also, L is trying to take down someone some revear as ritcheous or God, which could be seen as evil. When it comes down to it there is no real, right answer, it depends on who you ask. I can't say, I didn't like Light's veiws but now with all this violence and the possibility of my home being bombed....sometimes I wish there was a Kira.
P.S. Ignore my spelling mistakes, I usually have a ABC check on but I'm on my dad's computer which doesn't have it. -_-;
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:19 pm
It's hard to say. Both sides think that they're good, but a very evil person is almost sure to think they are good. Light is definitely bad even though he was trying to clean up the world, because he thought he could be the judge of who was worthy to be killed, and was willing to kill whoever got in his way. I don't think L belongs to either group, because his personal motivations were probably just intellectual interest, but he was acting on the side of the law.
DnD-type summation: Light is chaotic bad, L is lawful neutral.
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