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STLeeJay

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:44 pm


Spoilers in white text. Highlight to read, but do so at your own risk.
So Eggman made his attack on the new nanite New Mobotropolis. Turns out Nicole made very powerful shield generators. Eggman couldn't even scratch the city. Sally decided, while Eggman tirelessly TRIED to destroy the city, to let Bunnie cut her hair; Sally's hair is back to its original length and shape. The FF and Chaotix decided to attack Eggman's mechsuit. Turns out, yes, the suit is made to outclass Sonic in every way, but has nothing against the other FF and Chaotix. The FF and Chaotix completely tore apart Eggman's suit limb from limb. With Eggman on his knees before the FF, Sally ordered him, as Princess, to leave the Royal grounds. Eggman then angrily ordered the Eggfleet to fire on the FF, but the walls of the new city shapeshifted and formed a protective shell around the FF and Chaotix, effortlessly blocking the missiles. Eggman then furiously left, declaring war on the FF. And Hope made another appearance, attacking the Eggfleet with a small aircraft, albeit doing little damage. Turns out she joined the United Federation, and has vowed to restore honor to the Kintobor family name by becoming the best engineer and vowing to destroy Eggman's empire.

But onto the main focus of my topic. Tails parents are up to something. Here is a script-form excerpt from page 21 of STH #177:

Amadeus (Tails' Dad): Incessant bombardment aside, this may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

Tails: Dad?

Amadeus: Our people needed a shake-up of this magnitude to get them ready for the shift in thinking.

Merlin (Tails' uncle): Be careful, Amadeus. The Monarchy might be wound tight enough to snap at any would-be reformer.

Rosemary (Tails' Mom): Don't worry, Merlin. My husband won't steer us wrong.

Amadeus: Thank you, Rosemary.

Tails: I believe in you, too, Dad. I'm on your side, no matter what.

Merlin: Another reason for my concern...

Additionally, the cover of Sonic #178 shows Sonic and Tails fighting, and suggests that they have another falling-out.


What do you think Tails' parents are up to? What do you think is in store for #178?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:54 pm


Sadly, I haven't gotten the issue yet. Some reason, my local Hastings sucks at getting Sonics in since last moth or so and I've had to go a long way to a Border's just to get a copy. All they ever have's....everything else. All the Marvels and DCs, even all the other Archies, but not one Sonic comic... I've saved the spoilers for later. but I've always assumed Tails' perants were a bit..... evil looking, at least his dad. If you look at pictures of him, he sometimes has a sort of evil-ish smirk on his face, or so it seems.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:01 pm


I didn't get the impression that his mother was especially in on it. I should look over the issue again and check, though.

Yeah, this has me a bit concerned. It looks like the return of Tails' parents is one of those cursed blessing kind of scenarios.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:28 am


From what I'm hearing from people who've already read 178, Archie're doing this what I'd have described as "right". It sounds as though they're actually giving Amadeus valid concerns and a sensible argument (one that I'm agreeing with myself, anyway), rather than making him into just another shady antagonist who it'd be easier for the reader to hate. I was hoping for that.

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Chris Kitmyth
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:55 am


And I still think Archie once again don't give Tails a break....
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:54 am


Nuala
From what I'm hearing from people who've already read 178, Archie're doing this what I'd have described as "right". It sounds as though they're actually giving Amadeus valid concerns and a sensible argument (one that I'm agreeing with myself, anyway), rather than making him into just another shady antagonist who it'd be easier for the reader to hate. I was hoping for that.


Now I really, really, really want this issue as soon as it shows up at Borders! eek And I was too crossing my fingers for Amadeus having a valid reason for rebellion; I don't like the clichéd "tyrant father delibertately using son as pawn to take over the world" thing, epecially being the father of one of my favorite characters. xp *phew* Let's see if this actually works out in the end! sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:56 am


General Lea
Sadly, I haven't gotten the issue yet. Some reason, my local Hastings sucks at getting Sonics in since last moth or so and I've had to go a long way to a Border's just to get a copy. All they ever have's....everything else. All the Marvels and DCs, even all the other Archies, but not one Sonic comic... I've saved the spoilers for later. but I've always assumed Tails' perants were a bit..... evil looking, at least his dad. If you look at pictures of him, he sometimes has a sort of evil-ish smirk on his face, or so it seems.


What the... I don't see how Sonic and the other "good guys" can get away with having a smirk on his face and not Gen. Prower. confused
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:19 am


-Xx Foxi_Zorra xX-
What the... I don't see how Sonic and the other "good guys" can get away with having a smirk on his face and not Gen. Prower. confused


Amen. I've been saying ever since the SA redesign that that cooler-than-thou smirk on Sonic's face could scare small children. smile

And CJ, Tails might not necessarily get a break, but have you seen the scans from the latest issue (17 cool yet? Watching him give Sonic what he had coming for years was worth waiting for.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:36 pm


I've got the latest issue yeah.

It's hard for me to keep up with what Archie are doing currently in the main stream run, but it's gotten better than the Sonic X series again.

Buuuuuut: (Hghlight Me Below!)

Hearing Tails tell Sonic to get over himself was a good one, as well as Sonic being asked if he's willing to get beaten by a kid, or be known AS a kid beater.

Now THAT was powerful.

But we have had a Sonic vs Tails issue before. Last time Sonic won, we all know Sonic will win again.

Though part of me wonders:

I've been reading Wikipedia about The Matrix Online - and how set after the mainstream trilogy of movies, the character of Morpheous turns into a terrorist.
I envision, if Tails goes into hiding, much like his parents - the local terrorism attacks on Knothole?

--- or would that just be too un-Archie to be done... ---

Though Archie have shown Sonic to be a total jerk in this issue too.
He's got a teenage mouth on him and it's obvious he sees himself as the bigshot. The comment of :
That kid worships me, he'll get over it. (Not the exact line used, but close enough for government work) just proves that he has an ego problem.

He's in essence saying. I know Tails likes me, he's stupid enough that he likes me so much he'll kiss my feet before he gets annoyed enough to do anything about it.

Sonic wins the tactless and jerk award in this issue.

Though we all know he's going to come out victorious. And we know somewhere along the line, they're going to end up best of friends once again.



~ The Foxie Known as Cj Kitmyth
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:46 pm


I can't believe that happened either, but I'm awaiting the results in #179. That fighting was so sweet. Who doesn't like the awesome fighting of two friends?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:35 am


The 179 preview scans're available at BKP. Go Tails!

And CJ... (spoilers in white - highlight to view)

Hearing Tails tell Sonic to get over himself was a good one, as well as Sonic being asked if he's willing to get beaten by a kid, or be known AS a kid beater.

Now THAT was powerful.


I really adored that line. Sonic couldn't win either way, could he?

And he chose the route that showed his reputation and ego as being more important than his honour and his friend. I really hope that someone points that out sooner or later.

Again, I was reminded of Scourge's comment that one wrong decision would turn one of them into the other. Ian seems to be having fun with that.

But we have had a Sonic vs Tails issue before. Last time Sonic won, we all know Sonic will win again.

I'm not convinced, though - given the distinctly terrified look on Sonic's face in some of those preview scans for 179, I wouldn't be surprised if either Tails has something up his sleeve or they break the fight off and pick it up later - possibly with Sonic getting a few things rammed into his head along the way.

Archie's target audience and the CCA means that I'll be stunned if Sonic wins outright - especially without repercussions. Even if he wins this battle, he's got to ultimately get undermined - he's being so big an arrogant, bullying swine that morally, if this doesn't bite him in one way or another, it's sending a message that Archie can't really afford.

I envision, if Tails goes into hiding, much like his parents - the local terrorism attacks on Knothole?

I'm reminded of Nigel Kitching's explanation on the StC mailing list of where that random story that involved Morain summoning Tails to try to stop the Enchanter Kings forming an alliance with the Goblin Kingdom (and which just got left hanging) was meant to go.

Apparently, Morain was supposed to organise what was basically a terrorist cell to disrupt and fight against the alliance, and Tails was going to be left choosing between something that he didn't like, but was the law and seemed to be working on the surface (despite the goblins trying to kill him during the negotiations), whether to just turn Morain's people in or even go rogue himself.

I'd like to see Sonic in a situation like that.


What do you think?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:28 am


Hmmmm....

*assumes the pondering pose*

((You know the drill))




Hearing Tails tell Sonic to get over himself was a good one, as well as Sonic being asked if he's willing to get beaten by a kid, or be known AS a kid beater.

Now THAT was powerful.

I really adored that line. Sonic couldn't win either way, could he?


No, and sometimes that's just the way we like it. It's nice to see some issues where the hero just gets pushed into a corner they really can't do anything about. It helps with some character development and for some can really knock them down a peg or two (Though apparently not in Sonics case yet)

And he chose the route that showed his reputation and ego as being more important than his honour and his friend. I really hope that someone points that out sooner or later.

See above.

Again, I was reminded of Scourge's comment that one wrong decision would turn one of them into the other. Ian seems to be having fun with that.

That must've been the time when I had given up taking much notice of the comics, because I cannot remember it off hand. Truth be told, I cannot remember really what started those two off in the first place - though I am pretty sure it was the whole Fiona thing if I remember rightly. My memory is quite poor.

But we have had a Sonic vs Tails issue before. Last time Sonic won, we all know Sonic will win again.

I'm not convinced, though - given the distinctly terrified look on Sonic's face in some of those preview scans for 179, I wouldn't be surprised if either Tails has something up his sleeve or they break the fight off and pick it up later - possibly with Sonic getting a few things rammed into his head along the way.

Archie's target audience and the CCA means that I'll be stunned if Sonic wins outright - especially without repercussions. Even if he wins this battle, he's got to ultimately get undermined - he's being so big an arrogant, bullying swine that morally, if this doesn't bite him in one way or another, it's sending a message that Archie can't really afford.


Yeah, but it's still Sonic the Hedgehog and Miles Prower and we know those two together Sonic will always win.
The only way Tails really has a chance is if he uses his brains - he's got enough of them anyway.
The other option being an inteferance by someone else, maybe one of the local prisoners coming into play.

*imagines word getting around the Sonic took down Tails and now the entire Freedom Fighter group oust Sonic....*

Interesting.

I need to have a look at those scans though, can you send me a link?

I envision, if Tails goes into hiding, much like his parents - the local terrorism attacks on Knothole?

I'm reminded of Nigel Kitching's explanation on the StC mailing list of where that random story that involved Morain summoning Tails to try to stop the Enchanter Kings forming an alliance with the Goblin Kingdom (and which just got left hanging) was meant to go.

Apparently, Morain was supposed to organise what was basically a terrorist cell to disrupt and fight against the alliance, and Tails was going to be left choosing between something that he didn't like, but was the law and seemed to be working on the surface (despite the goblins trying to kill him during the negotiations), whether to just turn Morain's people in or even go rogue himself.

I'd like to see Sonic in a situation like that.

What do you think?


Well, that would cause Sonic to have to stop thinking with his mouth and start thinking with his heart.

He DOES have one, we've seen it before in pre 100 issues. Anyone remember Heart of the Hedgehog?

It'd be nice to see Sonic do something big and follow a path which may cause some issues with other people, but ultimately end up being the right road to walk.

Did that rambling make sense? o.O

Chris Kitmyth
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Nuala
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:07 am


The server's exceeded its bandwidth at the moment, so I can't go straight to the specific thread - but the scans're in the 179 topic of the Sonic forum here.

(And happy birthday, Chris! smile )
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:46 am


Thank You!

And thank you again, I will keep an eye on that site *pokes its servers*

Chris Kitmyth
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Chris Kitmyth
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:02 am


Well, I took a look at the pictures on that site.

To me it didn't seem anything special to me though. Just more of the same.

*shrug*

So far, I'm a little disappointed.

-- Edit --

Reviewing this issue.

Well, my first opnion is that it was ruined frankly.

We had SO much to work with here and we wrap it all up in such a corny fashion it was just...too rushed.

- Sonic vs Tails. We had something here. The emotion from Tails vs Sonics unwillingness to hit his best friend. Tails actually getting through to Sonic showing that the hedgehogs heart may still actually be in there and beating. Though we did get to see Sonic go so far as to defend himself, even if he was holding back.
It was nice to see Sonic get his flaws rammed home into him by a kid and give him a wake up call however.

Armadues vs Elias. This could have been expanded on so much more...but we had to cut back to S vs T and so never really saw much of it. Plus the whole interruption by Sally scenario. Though I guess Adults being told how to do things by a kid can be rather amusing at times.

Elias vs his father. This could go somewhere....interesting.

A few big points.

- Sonic telling Tails that he wanted to beat on him so badly that he could go right ahead.
Yes, I liked that. That showed off Sonic actually admitting something there, plus it also gave Tails the chance to cool off a little bit as well.

- This is all about Fiona...?
Or I am guessing that was just the catalyst that set it all off. Tails was growing up and like most kids is beginning to come into emotional conflict, it all kind of burst out, though I would have liked to have seen it expanded on.

- It ending all so fast.
Bah - this issue should have extended onward for much longer. Llike I said - I knew Sonic and Tails would make up, there was no ifs doubts or buts about it. But to do it in the space of two pages. Sure, it was nice to see Sonic admit he was an idiot and that he has been a jerk, but c'mon, there was WAY to much anger and aggression for it to be over in just a few simple sentances.
((But Sonic shed a tear...? But then again - I guess I am happy to see a caring between the two))
Elias and Amadues...at a table...drinking coffee. Ergh x.x Does anyone else see a cheap childs cartoon style slapstick humour value here or is it just me. A cop-out.
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