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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:05 am
I am reintroducing the topic of how religion influences fantasy. When I introduced it in the old guild under the title of Fantasy Theology I thought it would be a touchy topic, but everyone actually seemed to enjoy talking about it.
Religion in fantasy seems to take the following forms:
Medieval: Fantasy that is more historic in nature often involves traditional religions of the Medieval European period particularly Christianity and Islam, but also others depending on scope. Often even when the names of the religion is changed they follow a similar monotheistic them as these religions.
Ancient: Fantasy worlds often involve pantheons of gods and godesses, similar to those of ancient Greece, Rome, or Egypt.
Shamanist: Often coexisting with other forms of religion, shamanist spirituality involves nature and spirits as divine forces more so than gods and godesses. This is often depicted as the religion of elves and druids. Sometimes it is at odds with other religions, much as Wicca and earth worship are with major religions in real life.
In fantasy, religion is often linked with spellcasting and healing as well as with worship and with prophecy. All these take certain elements from real life, but also add their own unique fantasy elements as well.
This is a discussion thread, so what does everyone think. What is the role of religion in fantasy?
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:38 am
the role of religion in fantasy deal with ancient prophecies and watever they worship. what spells someones casts or how they cast it depends on religion and wat they believe. well, thats it for now, write more later.
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:24 pm
I think a lot of theology in fantasy conforms to what the Romans and Greeks believed - that there were many gods/goddesses. That could also tie in with Paganism.
I could go into detail about how I work theology into my world, but again, that's a post for a time when I'm much more competent.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:25 pm
In the fantasy genre, everything can be so (for lack of a better word) fantastical, that sometimes it's hard to believe. There are several ways to ground the fantasy elements. Characters with emotions the audience can relate to and settings that could be real places both play a role, for example. In this light, religion is often used as a way to connect to the story because religion is a need that people have always had. By satisfying that need for the characters in a story, the audience is more firmly convinced that this world and these characters could be real, making the experience more enjoyable.
In addition, religion can actually add fantastical elements. Magic is often an element of whatever religion is used in the story. Religion is usually seen as a way to connect with the supernatural, which provides an easy, believable way to bring supernatural elements into a story.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:26 am
Miluifaer In the fantasy genre, everything can be so (for lack of a better word) fantastical, that sometimes it's hard to believe. There are several ways to ground the fantasy elements. Characters with emotions the audience can relate to and settings that could be real places both play a role, for example. In this light, religion is often used as a way to connect to the story because religion is a need that people have always had. By satisfying that need for the characters in a story, the audience is more firmly convinced that this world and these characters could be real, making the experience more enjoyable. In addition, religion can actually add fantastical elements. Magic is often an element of whatever religion is used in the story. Religion is usually seen as a way to connect with the supernatural, which provides an easy, believable way to bring supernatural elements into a story. I agree. One of my main characters has a grudge against the "gods" because his entire family were slaughtered and only he was left alive. Later on, a few more heartbreaking things happen and the hatred continues. However, what I intend for him much much later on is that he comes to respect one particular deity, but isn't inclined to worship her.
He's just one example though. I think making characters believable along with their beliefs is vital.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:18 am
Why do people think that in fantasy world theology, the idea of multiple gods/goddesses is more preferable? It's derived from what the ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians believed, and as I said above, also pagans.
It's not common to see a fantasy world where only one deity exists, or with religions that resemble christianity, islam, hindu or buddha.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:46 pm
DM_Melkhar Why do people think that in fantasy world theology, the idea of multiple gods/goddesses is more preferable? It's derived from what the ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians believed, and as I said above, also pagans.
It's not common to see a fantasy world where only one deity exists, or with religions that resemble christianity, islam, hindu or buddha. I think in part - going of another thread coupling fantasy and history - that because monotheistic religions are currently practiced they don't feel as historical and don't feel as much like fantasy, though Christianity would be very logical for fantasy in a medieval European setting, since that was the religion of medieval Europe. Also the gods of ancient civilizations were viewed as more interactive with mortals I think, which works well in fantasy.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:28 pm
I'm not quite sure I get all of that. Most fantasy works have their peoples believe in multiple deities like the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians. Are you saying this is NOT like fantasy? It's not often in fantasy that you hear of a religion resembling christianity.
Have I missed the point somewhere?
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:43 pm
DM_Melkhar I'm not quite sure I get all of that. Most fantasy works have their peoples believe in multiple deities like the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians. Are you saying this is NOT like fantasy? It's not often in fantasy that you hear of a religion resembling christianity.
Have I missed the point somewhere? It sounds like you got my point, only in reverse. I was just saying that modern religions don't always seem to work in fantasy as well because they are so familiar to us in real life - but they can still work in fantasy with an accurate historical setting.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:10 am
Fantasy is very wide and I think writers or games creators just think that more gods = more fun. This is very simplistic but look at Forgotten Realms. They have tons of gods and each god worshipper has different attributes that suits that god's worshipper.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:51 am
I see your point. Especially in fantasy games where deities are connected to spellcasting.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:53 pm
Typical lefty aren't I? Everything I say, do and think tends to be the complete reverse of what right-handed people say, do and think.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:58 am
Heh heh, this thread has been dead for a while, hasn't it... I hope it doesn't mind being revived ^_^
A lot of the fantasy is heavily influenced by Christianity because it's Medieval or Renaissance, or when it is influenced by polytheistic religions, it's generally Celtic; but that's just what I read. I have a theory that the reason a lot of fantasy is based on ancient polytheistic religions is because a lot of fantasy writers (or maybe it's just me) have a great love for mythology, and that's what gets them writing. There is a ton of monotheistic fantasy out there - think Tolkien and Lewis. There's also a lot of fantasy writers who are writing their higher powers more as things than beings - Philip Pullman for instance (I guess this was referred to as Shamanism earlier on, so I'll continue to call it that because I can't find the term I'm thinking of). You can have only one supreme being or none at all and still be insanely creative with the theology of your world, and it also depends on your purpose. Authors that use polarity tend to - though not always - use a monotheistic theology (insofar as Christianity is monotheistic). Using a polytheistic theology or shamanism generally allows for more grey area in the morality. (Note that I'm using a lot of 'generally's here)
I've actually been trying to use a combination of monotheism (Celtic Catholicism) and polytheism (Celtic polytheism - specifically the Morrigan), though I still need to smooth the edges on what the actually theology involves.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:54 am
Thanks for the revive Laura!
I must confess that I didn't notice the thread till now but, I'm glad I did! Anywho, I do think about the religion of my characters unless they have none at all. For example, I am pretty sure I should make my character of Kenshin Belmont into either a Christian, or Catholic; since they're pretty much alike.
I have noticed what SirKirbance said at his first post and how that seems to be the trend to follow when writing fantasy. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:51 pm
Religion in my world is basically spirituality the religious characters have special powers such as magic and of sorts.
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