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punko_lunko

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:23 am


Ever since I was a little kid I've wanterd to go on a mission, but now I am having trouble deciding.

Does anyone else think that missionaries are pushy with their investagators? I have a friend that asked me for a BOM, so I gave it to him, but he is not really ready to take the discussions yet. He told me he would ask if he had any questions, but my mom (ward missionary) told our Sisters about it and they are going CRAZY trying to get me to invite him over to take a discussion or something.

I understand how important Missionary Work is, but how much is too much?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:15 am


I take it BOM = Book of Mormon?
Anyways, missionary work is a rwally important thing, and if you talk to the missionaries and voice your opinions I'm sure they'd understand. Everyone understands personal space (well almost every1), and they'll understand if your friend isn't ready. But before you do that pray about it. Maybe your friend is more ready than you know.

The Kingdom Keeper
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Vinstepula

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:44 pm


Well you know your friend well and the others don't. So really you can make the choice of what to do. The best way I found that was helpful when a friend was investagating is pray for help, pray to know what to do. You can't go wrong with prayer.
Do check up on your friend. Not like every hour or maybe not even every day. But just ask him if he is enjoying the BOM. Sometimes this opens up to gospel topics and makes him more comfortable in talking about the BOM and whatever. I find that my friend was pretty shy in asking questions.
If he asks a question you don't know, its okay to say "I don't really know myself, thats a good question, I'll find out more about it." or something like that.

Just a few things I learned.

Although, I think a discussion is a bit fast, you should invite him YM first so he won't feel awkward around them. Then invite him to church.

Good luck with it. If you choose to go on a mission, that's pretty sweet. I want to serve a mission one day.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:30 pm


I agree with Vin, prayer is key, and ease your friend along, don't rush in headlong and drag him with you cuz then he'll get defensive or lose interest.

The Kingdom Keeper
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banagirl1692
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:15 am


Do be wary of the sisters tho. They could scare a away your friend.

And think of it this way....they gave up 2 years of their life to teach others the gospel, wouldn't they be a little enthusisastic about it???
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:37 am


Bana does have a point.
Just pray about it and talk to the missionaries, they'll understand.

The Kingdom Keeper
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Galdroth

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:20 pm


well I know a Jewish girl who lives by me who will probably never join the church because the missionaries would call her everyday to see if she was ready to be baptized, but isn't that just another reason to go on a mission so there will be that many more people that you can teach and not just another pushy missionary
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:26 am


YES!!! I think that some missionaries are pushy. But I hope that most go by the Spirit and know when to be forward and when to wait. There is nothing wrong with you talking to your friend about gospel doctrine and reading the Book of Mormon together. However, at one time or another they will have to see the missionaries if they are to be baptized. You can be there too and help it go smoothly. I have had good and bad experiences when referring my friends to the missionaries. I always just pray that they will be strong in the Spirit and not end up pushing my friends away. Most of the times, they have been pretty good at handling it the right way.

snaksie
Crew


Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:53 pm


Well, I don't know the whole situation behind this but it reminds me of what happened with my cousin. Me and him have practically grown up together but we just didn't hang out with each other. I still knew him though and the only reason he was taking the missionary discusions was to get baptized. But I knew that once he was baptized he would stop going to church. I voiced my concerns about this and how his reasons weren't pure. I forgot who, but someone told me that it wasn't my decision to make. We were all given our agency to choose for ourselves and not have someone make our choices for us. If someone wanted to be baptized but their intentions weren't pure, do we have the right to deny them the gospel? Besides, it's really up to either the bishop, stake president, or mission president in the baptismal interview to see whether the person should be baptized or not. All I was told to do is be happy for the person. Rejoice that he is interested in the church. Help guide him down the path of righteousness. Pray for him. But deny him something that we all need. Just help him more fully understand what it is that he is seeking.

Speaking of missions/missionaries... I have always wanted to go on a mission too. But right now I don't know if I will be going on one. At first my intentions were to go to get away from everyone. My second intention to go was that RMs have a higher chance of finding a girl in the church than NonRMs did. The third reason was that whether or not people care to admit, there is a lot of presure on age worthy guys to go on a mission and if you don't go you're looked down upon. But then recently I've changed my life around. I've started reading my BOM and I've been praying every night. I know now that the only reasons I should go on a mission is so that I can bring my fellow brothers and sisters into the Lord's gospel. If I went for any other reason other than that then I wouldn't be a true missionary and I'd come home after two years of ineffectiveness. I can't lose myself in the work if the pressures of going in the first place are hindering me. I should go on a mission because I want to go on a mission and not because I'm forced to. The question I'm asking is would a girl fall for me because I'm an RM, or because of the spirit inside of me? I know a lot of girls who say the later but practice the first. I'd just like to know what everyone else thinks.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:48 pm


Hey Artemis,

You voice some really good questions and concerns. First of all, I hope your cousin stays active. I know what you mean though about wondering if he was joining for the right reason. I baptized a really good friend of mine and thought all was well, but he went inactive later. I still talk to him and he says he knows it is true, but that right now he is too busy to go on Sunday. confused

About your mission concerns. It is true that most LDS girls look for an RM to marry. However, there are many RM's and so if a girl falls for you, I believe it will be because of who you are and not just because you are an RM. There are lots to choose from, so if she picks you, most likely it will be because of the Spirit in you. One area that I disagree though is the area about why you might go on a mission. I believe there alot of reasons to go, not just one. I agree that you shouldn't be forced by others to go. But if you go because you want to serve, I believe it is just as valid as if you went because you thought your Father in Heaven wanted you to. There is alot of pressure on us men to go, but usually it doesn't matter which reason we go. Once we decide to serve, all that really matters is what we do with the time we are out there and how our attitude is in the field. If you decide to go just because you don't want to be looked down upon (not really the best reason to go), once you are out there, it's a new ball-game. I think some who go for the right reason are not guaranteed of doing better than one who might go for the wrong reason. The MTC is a great equalizer. No matter why you're out there...all become equal in the MTC. Then, in the field, again all get the same chance to succeed. I feel very strongly that if you go, you will be happy you went. And then maybe you'll get lucky afterwards and find yourself a beautiful RM young lady and you both will live happily ever after! whee

snaksie
Crew


Pegasaurus Rex

Stone-cold Loiterer

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:43 pm


I totally want to go on a mission as soon as I'm old enough. I want to help as many people as I can find the answers they've been looking for. I agree that you shouldn't be forced to go on a mission because (and this might be just me) when people force you to do something, you don't do it happily as if it was your decision. I hope you can say "Yes I'm going on a mission, and I'm doing it because I want to." I get so excited about being able to help and serve people I don't know. And I think the spirit fills the gap between you and the people you teach because why else would someone let a stranger come in their house and tell them what the truth is?

And if for some reason a person is unable to go on a mission, for health or mental reasons, they shouldn't be looked down upon. If a person didn't go on a mission, but had a strong testimony, I would consider marrying that person. Because it's not their fault they couldn't go. That's why I think whoever can go on a mission should, because there are people who want to go but can't. And I feel so bad for them.

Anyway, good luck! ^-^
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:46 am


Artemis Simetra
Well, I don't know the whole situation behind this but it reminds me of what happened with my cousin. Me and him have practically grown up together but we just didn't hang out with each other. I still knew him though and the only reason he was taking the missionary discusions was to get baptized. But I knew that once he was baptized he would stop going to church. I voiced my concerns about this and how his reasons weren't pure. I forgot who, but someone told me that it wasn't my decision to make. We were all given our agency to choose for ourselves and not have someone make our choices for us. If someone wanted to be baptized but their intentions weren't pure, do we have the right to deny them the gospel? Besides, it's really up to either the bishop, stake president, or mission president in the baptismal interview to see whether the person should be baptized or not. All I was told to do is be happy for the person. Rejoice that he is interested in the church. Help guide him down the path of righteousness. Pray for him. But deny him something that we all need. Just help him more fully understand what it is that he is seeking.

Speaking of missions/missionaries... I have always wanted to go on a mission too. But right now I don't know if I will be going on one. At first my intentions were to go to get away from everyone. My second intention to go was that RMs have a higher chance of finding a girl in the church than NonRMs did. The third reason was that whether or not people care to admit, there is a lot of presure on age worthy guys to go on a mission and if you don't go you're looked down upon. But then recently I've changed my life around. I've started reading my BOM and I've been praying every night. I know now that the only reasons I should go on a mission is so that I can bring my fellow brothers and sisters into the Lord's gospel. If I went for any other reason other than that then I wouldn't be a true missionary and I'd come home after two years of ineffectiveness. I can't lose myself in the work if the pressures of going in the first place are hindering me. I should go on a mission because I want to go on a mission and not because I'm forced to. The question I'm asking is would a girl fall for me because I'm an RM, or because of the spirit inside of me? I know a lot of girls who say the later but practice the first. I'd just like to know what everyone else thinks.

Well I can't speak for all girls, so this is myself. razz
I'm glad that you changed your life around. That's very mature of you.
I think it differs from girl to girl. To me, I wouldn't think about marrying someone who isn't an RM. Cruel or mean? naw, I have some very personal and spiritual reasons why. But I would like to say that there are more things than being an RM. Someone who really put their heart into serving a mission. It doesn't matter how many baptisms you had, or how many were converted. To me, it is someone who served as best as they could. I hope that makes sense.
And your spirit is important, because in marriage, You and your wife have spiritual goals. In YWs we learned about the triangle. Where you have you, your spouse, and Heavenly Father in your life. Both of you will become even more closer as time goes on and you both try to achieve spiritual goals.
Also, that doesn't mean that you have to be perfect. We all make mistakes. Some people are at different spiritual levels. Some people are strong in different topics of the gospel. (Example, like some may have great faith in prayer, while the other struggles with prayer.) In marriage your wife will help you with your weaknesses, and you will help her with her weaknesses.

For me, I want to serve a mission, not only for bringing others to the gospel. But maybe it is selfish of me to say this. But I feel strongly that if I don't serve a mission, then I won't be as a successful mother or wife as I could be.

So do what you feel like is best. Pray hard if you should goon a mission, if the spirit tells no, don't go. (Which can happen.) I still think there will be a girl who will marry you. We've been commanded to get married, and as Nephi has said, I know that God does not give commandments to the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them, that they may accomplish the things he commandeth them. (Can't say that is word for word, I'm terrible at memorizing XD)

I hope that helps. Just lose yourself in the gospel. Go on a mission if you feel strongly that you should. Pray and fast about it. It's easy to get caught up in the "future spouse" thing and if you will have one or if you are good enough to have a wife. (I got caught up like that. Only for a husband. razz )

Sorry that is a lot to read. XD

Vinstepula


Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:38 pm


Thanks everyone who responded. I don't know what the Lord has in store for me. But I know that he is with me where ever I go and that everything will work out in the end, one way or the other. I get this swelling in my chest when I think about all the lost sheep I can bring back into the fold, but if I don't go on a mission that doesn't mean I'm not a missionary. Before I changed my life around (I'd just like to clarify that I wasn't doing anything against the church. I just wasn't reading and praying. But now I am) I was more afraid of what everyone else would think of me. Now I'm scared about what God will think of me. I want to do everything in my power to make it back to him one day. Mission or no. One thing I see in a lot of RMs is when they lose the faith. More and more of my RM friends are becoming inactive and it makes me sad. That's why I want to go out for all the right reasons and none of the wrong. Anyways... thanks for the listen.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:34 pm


Artemis Simetra
Thanks everyone who responded. I don't know what the Lord has in store for me. But I know that he is with me where ever I go and that everything will work out in the end, one way or the other. I get this swelling in my chest when I think about all the lost sheep I can bring back into the fold, but if I don't go on a mission that doesn't mean I'm not a missionary. Before I changed my life around (I'd just like to clarify that I wasn't doing anything against the church. I just wasn't reading and praying. But now I am) I was more afraid of what everyone else would think of me. Now I'm scared about what God will think of me. I want to do everything in my power to make it back to him one day. Mission or no. One thing I see in a lot of RMs is when they lose the faith. More and more of my RM friends are becoming inactive and it makes me sad. That's why I want to go out for all the right reasons and none of the wrong. Anyways... thanks for the listen.


You know what. That is a good point about always being a missionary. I always hear it all the time, but something has struck me in what you have said.
I'm sorry about your RM friends. sad That must be really hard. Missions aren't easy. My dad and bro both had very hard missions. It's sad to think that RMs, or anyone in fact would move away from the church. Usually when they do that, they are far worse off.
Thanks for sharing this with me.

Vinstepula


Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:23 pm


Vinstepula
You know what. That is a good point about always being a missionary. I always hear it all the time, but something has struck me in what you have said.


Something in what you, Vinstepula, said struck me. Missionaries are representatives of Christ. Isn't the young women motto "Stand as a witness of Christ at all times, in all places?" I see a lot of Christians wear the WWJD band all the time. It wasn't until I actually pondered that phrase "What Would Jesus Do?" that a lot of revelations came to me. To be an effective missionary, you have to be Christ-like. People are going to be less willing to hear the gospel from someone who mocks their own friends than those who show common curtesy to everyone, as Christ would. I was a little offended when my friends called me immature just because I like keeping things lighthearted and making people laugh. After I thought about it, the way I was acting wasn't very Christ-like. I was actually breaking the third commandment because I was taking the Lords name in vain. I am a representative of Christ. Every sunday during sacrament I take the Lord's name upon myself. So if I am not being Christ-like, wouldn't I be breaking the commandment? Now that I try and be as Christ-like as possible, I'll be even more blessed at being an effective missionary.
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