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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:06 am
I have a question. After Jesus was born did Mary really remain a virgin? Because I got to thinking since Jesus had at least one brother, James. What do you think?
I hope that made sense.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:47 am
I don't think she did. I think that her and Joseph got married and may have had several other children.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:36 pm
Jesus had at least two brothers from what we can gather by reading scripture. James, and I can't remember the others name. They are Joseph's sons, so it's pretty clear that Mary would not have remained a virgin her entire life.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:11 pm
There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case.
But on the flip side, we have other evidence that they are younger, meaning no, she didn't.
I honestly can't give you the details on this, but I remember seeing it on some documentary on Jesus' tomb I believe. I'm not sure it's known 100%.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:49 pm
It depends on the denomination. The typical Catholic is taught that after Christ, Mary had no more children. Then again, they're also taught that Mary was completely without sin. I don't buy into either of those, but I'm a little biased. xd Anyway, if you read through a non-Catholic Bible, you'll find sections about Jesus having brothers. To badly quote Dogma... "To believe that Mary was a virgin when she had her first child is called faith. To believe that a married couple never had sex... well that's just plain gulibility." In essence, my thoughts exactly. thelovelyLIZ There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case. Which means that Mary couldn't have had a virgin birth and the entire miracle is shot. And from what I've learned, Mary was supposed to be just into her teens when she had Jesus, so Joseph would have been her first husband. She just wasn't old enough to be a widow. Or something like that.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:58 pm
omnimodus Jesus had at least two brothers from what we can gather by reading scripture. James, and I can't remember the others name. They are Joseph's sons, so it's pretty clear that Mary would not have remained a virgin her entire life. Unless Joseph cheated. Unlikely, i know, but its something to think about.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:46 am
GuardianAngel44 omnimodus Jesus had at least two brothers from what we can gather by reading scripture. James, and I can't remember the others name. They are Joseph's sons, so it's pretty clear that Mary would not have remained a virgin her entire life. Unless Joseph cheated. Unlikely, i know, but its something to think about. Or Joseph was in a previous marriage that left him a widower. Does it ever say how old Joseph was in the bible? that could help us figure out if Mary remained a virgin or not. I personally think Mary did not remain a virgin, and that she only had Jesus as a virgin birth, and then went on to have other children with Joseph.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:35 pm
To quote Rufus from the movie DogmaQuote: The nature of God and the Virgin Birth — these are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? That's just plain gullibility
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:08 pm
No she didnt, i cant remember exactly where, but in one of the gospels it talks about Jesus' brothers and calls them 'half brothers'... because Joseph was Jesus' brother's father
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:19 pm
purplesheep No she didnt, i cant remember exactly where, but in one of the gospels it talks about Jesus' brothers and calls them 'half brothers'... because Joseph was Jesus' brother's father Actually any children Mary had with Joseph would have been half-siblings since they would have the same mother but different fathers. If Joseph had children from a previous marriage then they would have been step-siblings.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:45 pm
Well, the Book of James was written by one of Jesus's brothers, James. And according to Mark and Matthew, he had another brother named Joses. Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? Matthew 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the Son of Mary, the Brother of James, and Joses, and of Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. He may have even had more siblings, according to Mark. So either the Catholic Church is wrong in believe Mary continued her virginity after Jesus, or they have a whole other set of problems associated with Joseph comitting adultery.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:18 pm
ryuu_chan thelovelyLIZ There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case. Which means that Mary couldn't have had a virgin birth and the entire miracle is shot. And from what I've learned, Mary was supposed to be just into her teens when she had Jesus, so Joseph would have been her first husband. She just wasn't old enough to be a widow. Or something like that. I should have made myself clear, they were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage, not Mary's. My bad xD
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:57 pm
thelovelyLIZ ryuu_chan thelovelyLIZ There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case. Which means that Mary couldn't have had a virgin birth and the entire miracle is shot. And from what I've learned, Mary was supposed to be just into her teens when she had Jesus, so Joseph would have been her first husband. She just wasn't old enough to be a widow. Or something like that. I should have made myself clear, they were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage, not Mary's. My bad xD But in the quotes I posted above it's quite clear that Mary is their mother. Matthew 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:34 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ ryuu_chan thelovelyLIZ There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case. Which means that Mary couldn't have had a virgin birth and the entire miracle is shot. And from what I've learned, Mary was supposed to be just into her teens when she had Jesus, so Joseph would have been her first husband. She just wasn't old enough to be a widow. Or something like that. I should have made myself clear, they were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage, not Mary's. My bad xD But in the quotes I posted above it's quite clear that Mary is their mother. Matthew 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. I'm not denying or affirming that Mary continued her virginity. I was just making it clear that what I meant was that if they were indeed Mary and Joseph's children, they were younger than Jesus. If they were older they were from a previous marriage of Joseph's not Mary's. I think Ryu thought I meant a previous marriage of Mary's.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:41 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ ryuu_chan thelovelyLIZ There's actually a debate about that. Some thing that Jesus' brothers were actually from a previous marriage, but were still called his brothers since they were actually his step brothers. There is some evidence that suggests they were older, so that would have to be the case. Which means that Mary couldn't have had a virgin birth and the entire miracle is shot. And from what I've learned, Mary was supposed to be just into her teens when she had Jesus, so Joseph would have been her first husband. She just wasn't old enough to be a widow. Or something like that. I should have made myself clear, they were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage, not Mary's. My bad xD But in the quotes I posted above it's quite clear that Mary is their mother. Matthew 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. I'm not denying or affirming that Mary continued her virginity. I was just making it clear that what I meant was that if they were indeed Mary and Joseph's children, they were younger than Jesus. If they were older they were from a previous marriage of Joseph's not Mary's. I think Ryu thought I meant a previous marriage of Mary's. Oh. Sorry then. sweatdrop
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