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 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:31 pm
What is your favorite area of contemplation? Who is your favorite philosopher?
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:19 pm
Well, I can't say I recall any of the philosophers I learned in European History, but I think death(and stuff that happens aferwards) must be the one that's most fascinating to me...Other than that, lately 'life elsewhere in the universe' has been quite interesting in my little area of contemplation. Compliments of Oban, I suppose?
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:45 am
Hm, my favourite area of philosophy... 1, Is There Such A Thing As A Free Will, and 2, When Is It Okay To Kill Another Living Being. Any thoughts on that...? Anyway, my favourite philosopher... Laozi/Lao Tzu, author of Tao Te Ching, and Sun Tzu, author of The Art Of War (if he can be considered a philosopher)... Chinese taoist philosophers. I also like the works about Socrates written by Plato.
Hmm, I feel like such a nerd.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:09 pm
I thought I was going to die when I herd all the theories of free will. I honestly belive that we have compleate free will. I will admite that the choices of others may limit our own which is a sort of compelling force that takes away a few choices that we could have otherwise made, ect. But overall we control ourselves and exert control on the world around us.
As to when it is ok to kill another, well, that is a gray subject for me. there are plenty of circumstances that I would kill someone and say it was justifyable, but hey, thats just me. I'm kinda violent at times.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:00 am
Hm, I belive there's no such thing as coincidence. If I get hit by a car, it wasn't bad luck. A long chain of events, starting the moment the universe was born, led up to that moment. In my theory, as soon as the first atom was created, there could be only one possible outcome, as in, everything was already determined. That little atom affected another atom, which affected another atom in a way based on how it was affected by the first, and so on, up until this very second. So, as I see it, everything in the universe has affected everything else in the universe to only one possible outcome. Including us, seeing how our minds are shaped by our genes, our surrounding and our experiences, which were all deterined from the start. Pessimistic, no?
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:45 pm
There are no such things as accidents, God is just trying to remain anomous!
So, if someone goes out and kills someone in cold blood, they are not responsible for that? he was just destined to kill that person? if so, should they be punished under the law?
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:19 pm
They are responsible, of course. After all, we are all responsible for our actions, regardless what led us to them. It was the only possible outcome, but he still chose to do it. I'm not talking about destiny or God or anything like that.
Like zis: His experiences, genes and everything in the whole universe had influenced him, up until that moment, so that he could only make one choise. However, he still made that choice, and so, he has to take responsibility.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:38 pm
If he only had that one choice, though, then can we really punish him for that? for making the only choice he could have made?
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:58 pm
Of course. He still made the choise. Everything you do has a consequence. Let's look at it this way. A man sees a child who's about to be hit by a buss. He throws himself in the way, pushing the child aside. Just because he would never act in a different way, does it mean what he did was meaningless? A good man is a good man no matter what.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:23 pm
So what you mean is that they would make that choice because they are good/bad and the circumstances made them make that choice. Not because they didn't nessisarally have any other choice to make.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:52 pm
No, not necessarily good or bad. But the life the man had lived, the things he'd done, said and seen, had influenced him in a way that made him want to rescue that child.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:24 pm
I think I get what you mean and could even agree with the point.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:07 am
So, any other outcome was impossible, because it is all "decided". It's like throwing a dice: There's no chance involved whatsoever. The angle of the throw, the material of the dice, the force used, the material it lands on, the wind, the way it hits the ground. If you had all the facts, like God is said to have, then you know there is only one possible outcome once the dice is thrown. And the dice could only be thrown in one way, because of the circumstances that made the man who threw the dice threw it in that way, and so on to the birth of the universe.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:07 am
I still personally think that we have compleate freedome of choice, and that we are compleatly responsable for our own actions, and so we deserve to be punished or rewarded for oour deeds. However if what you say is true, I'm not sure that we should be punishing people for their crimes or rewarding them for their success.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:03 am
Also, scientific tests have discovered that we do things before our minds tells us to, before our reflexes are activated. They did tests like this: They tell a man to press a button. When he does, they measure the electric impulses in his brain, and it turned out he started moving the hand before the brain had told him to. So he never really made that choice before his body moved.
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