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The_Pseudo_Solipsist

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:40 am


I remember a thread opened here a few months back of someone questioning why the Fleur has been suddently adopted as their new icon. It's on Bob's drums, its on their website, its on their merch....The Fleur has seemingly taken over, but why have they taken this seemingly random image as their new icon? I know My Chem is too smart and obsessive of a band to include stuff that just looks "pretty."

As we all know (or my fellow concept obsesees) know, the Black Parade is centered around this anti-war message. The Patient is thrust into a war he was never apart of, to find out much is at stake if his choices and intentions aren't righteous.

On the Black Parade insert, we see one key person that leads us to the secret of the Fleur--Joan of Arc. (The girl in the armour on the black horse, not to be confused with Fear and Regret)

The Fleur de Leis (it just sounds French, right?) was actually the symbol used in that 100 year war of France vs. Britain by the French army. It adorned their shields, their sword's engravings, everything.

And there we have, Joan of Arc, the key player of that war, sitting before us on our Black Parade picture, it was too obvious.

If we encounter the young gas mask girl in This is How I Disappear (Not to be confused with Mother War) And various soldiers through the story and of course, the bomb sirens in Mama, we learn this album is focused on the war. When they refer to it on their website as the Great War, (which typically refers to WWII) we see that it has the characteristics of WWI (The gas masks in particular, the nucleaur bombs, etc.) but perhaps when they refer to "The Great War" they refer to this fictional war they created using a whole mesh of the great wars in history.

I know Gerard went into...an obsession with Joan of Arc during the making of TBP, so I know she had to recieve more recognition in the album than just her picture slew in the back with other questionable characters.

Sorry if I went a little over the top with this entire idea, but as stated, I think My Chem uses the most brilliant lyrics created possibly one of the most articulated stories in rock and roll history. (Bullets-TBP I believe ties in together, basing off the lyrics of "Set the ferris wheel ablaze"-This is the Best Day Ever, and "Shot lipgloss through my veins" Bury Me in Black.)
I can elaborate, but I feel it's actually best for me to shut up right now. sweatdrop

Sorry if this is slightly repetetive to previous posts, I searched for that thread clear back to October archives but I concluded it must have been deleted. Feel free to delete this if necessary.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:36 am


Wait, Gerard went obsessive over Joan of arc?
Why?
How did I miss this info!

And please, continue if you know more or have anything else to say. I find all this very interesting.

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The_Pseudo_Solipsist

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:26 am


The Black Parade book, he says how he watched every movie ever made of Joan of Arc about twenty times, and then got a painting of her in his room.

I could explain my rather far-fetched theory on how it goes on to TBP, because the phrase,"they gave us two shots to the back of the head,"
is grammatically incorrect, and refers to only one person.
So I think it is metaphorically saying when [she] got shot (physically), [he] got shot, (figuratively.) Bury Me In Black of course extends it on with "Shot lipgloss through my veins" ligloss/lipstick is metaphorically blood, (cemetary drive,) (LOTMS/Revenge cover) [blood] through my veins" IV Tube, etc. etc. hospital.
The song Sister to Sleep, I think, comes after the BMIB showdown, and reverts back to the ..."nun" scene in Thank You for the Venom. (Proof LOTMS, nun icon/revenge 'Ring O' Fire')

As you know, a ferris wheel is on fire on the back of the Bullets case. The two lyrics,"Set the Ferris wheel ablaze"/ "I will take back this ferris wheel"
in two seperate songs. The Ferris Wheel was symbolic for the "wheel of life," so to speak. This of course demonstrated the entirety of the plot in which [she] dies twice, "Just like the hearse you die to get in again."

It's the constant sturggle of the Revenge cd, to "get her back" so to speak. we all know the "Corpses of 1000 evil men" plot, no need to elaborate.

I also think that all the band members have a major role in TBP:
Bob: disguised soldier The Sharpest Lives
Frank: disguised soldier I Don't Love You/Disenchanted
Ray: disguised soldier House of Wolves
Mikey: disguised soldier Mama, just plain Mikey in Sleep and FLW.
Gerard: The Patient

(Sorry, but that's engraved in my head since he was the patient at the concert, and since he writes 90% of the lyrics. )

I know that seems like I based that off of nothing, but I can elaborate further to the point it all clicks together in the most intirguing and frustrating puzzle ever created, but I do not wish to do so now, as it is 3:30 in the morning and I would prefer to go to bed before noon. (it has taken me 50+ chapters to explain the concept to a few of my friends, this is almost a slap in the face to the brilliant concept I just can't do justice to.)

Nevertheless:
Even if I am totally wrong on all of this, it's still more entertaining to, as you are listening to the songs Romance-Heaven Help Us, you picture them all running through the cemetary, and then in the middle of war, and then watching TBP city crumble in a fiery tangle of rubble after the nucleaur bomb hits in Mama that you can see through the reflection of the gas mask's eye goggles...

Well, it's more entertaining if you have an over-active imagination and a serious case of lyric decoder-ness...

That is possibly the most illiterate thing I have ever written, but it will suffice until I wish to add on more at a later date.

Sorry for having to make it so concise.

I really can explain lyric by lyric what it means, what happened, and so on. Like I said, 100+ pages (50+ Chapters) of this story I created (possibly the world's longest fanfiction) based on concept much less than the band members.


***Please, anyone who wishes to join in my lyrical debate, please do, just don't paste what wiki says. We all know it word for word, and it is inaccurate. Revenge cd is not about "a town being over-run by vampires" and Gerard was never "shot by Frank Iero, only to be revived into a zombie where they now live in a submarine surrounded by their five beautiful vampire children."

I'm sure that's all changed now, but it stated that for a week or two perhaps...a year ago on that wretched website.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:36 am


YAY! History lessons over summer vacation! xd

Joan of Arc's so cool. I admire her.

Queen Nekoyasha


[.Transexual Walrus]

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:32 am


ermmm...i'm sorry but you either typo'd or made a mistake. The great war was WWI but you've put WWII (sorry I am a history nerd... sweatdrop )

Didn't Gerard like get every single Joan of Arc movie he could and watched it repeatedly (Thats was in the black parade speacil edition book right!?)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:33 am


Actually, the Great War refers to WWI. Before there was a WWII they never called WWI World War One. Instead they just refered to it as the Great War. When WWII came around, they changed the Great War to WWI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_War

Fireshaper


[.Transexual Walrus]

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:35 am


Fireshaper
Actually, the Great War refers to WWI. Before there was a WWII they never called WWI World War One. Instead they just refered to it as the Great War. When WWII came around, they changed the Great War to WWI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_War


though even today people do still refer to it as the great war as of course it was the first war done on such a scale.
Hurray history!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:41 am


[.Transexual Walrus]
Fireshaper
Actually, the Great War refers to WWI. Before there was a WWII they never called WWI World War One. Instead they just refered to it as the Great War. When WWII came around, they changed the Great War to WWI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_War


though even today people do still refer to it as the great war as of course it was the first war done on such a scale.
Hurray history!


Yeah for history!

Fireshaper


The_Pseudo_Solipsist

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:16 pm


That was a typo.

I know that since I always thought WWII was a much greater war than WWI when learning that in history class, so maybe I subconciously added the other Roman Numeral, or just a typo, I wrote than entire...blob...and mess of theories in under two minutes.

Yes, I think I stated that...Gerard did watch every Joan of Arc movie numerous times, and had the painting of her in his room. (I'm sure I said that.)

My exact post: " The Black Parade book, he says how he watched every movie ever made of Joan of Arc about twenty times, and then got a painting of her in his room."


Okay, I did infact already state that.

But if we consider that TBP war that is occuring is supposed to be in WWI, they didn't have the nuclear bombs, gas masks, or...err..Joan of Arc and the Fleur.

I think, as stated previously, that they refer to it as a fictionilized war they created by using many key points of countless key wars in history.



Putting my single typo aside, do you follow my theory even slightly?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:19 pm


To be honest yor wrote so much i'm not totally sure what the hell your theory is actually about O_O....i'll re-read it when i'm less sleepy and try and make sence of it then xD

[.Transexual Walrus]


MCRfan4life

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:59 pm


To me, the lyrics connect a lot more than they did before xD

It's amazing how they could come up with all of this =]
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:32 pm


crazy_bird_ladyof_sorrows
That was a typo.

I know that since I always thought WWII was a much greater war than WWI when learning that in history class, so maybe I subconciously added the other Roman Numeral, or just a typo, I wrote than entire...blob...and mess of theories in under two minutes.

Yes, I think I stated that...Gerard did watch every Joan of Arc movie numerous times, and had the painting of her in his room. (I'm sure I said that.)

My exact post: " The Black Parade book, he says how he watched every movie ever made of Joan of Arc about twenty times, and then got a painting of her in his room."


Okay, I did infact already state that.

But if we consider that TBP war that is occuring is supposed to be in WWI, they didn't have the nuclear bombs, gas masks, or...err..Joan of Arc and the Fleur.

I think, as stated previously, that they refer to it as a fictionilized war they created by using many key points of countless key wars in history.



Putting my single typo aside, do you follow my theory even slightly?

Actually they did have gas masks in WWI, they were first created to combat the chlorine gas used by the Germans. In 1916, gas masks were accepted on arms of the countries of Triple Entente.

Concerning the Fleur De Lis, it was also used during WWI by The Canadian Expeditionary Force who was the group of Canadian military units formed for service overseas in the First World War. As the units arrived in France they were formed into the divisions of the Canadian Corps within the British Army.

So your theory does work and it's rather brilliant of you to come up with all of this. Sorry for the history lesson guys, but I'm majoring in history for college right now.

blackbirdX


The_Pseudo_Solipsist

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:27 am


Wow, that's very helpful. I guess everything does sway rather towards WWI, and not my "mesh of wars" theories, although:

Disenchanted, the lyrics of "Break of the old guillotine, we'll show 'em what we all mean."
and "I was there on the day they sold the cause for the queen"

Could...be referenced to the French Revolution.

But that's speaking from someone who has had all their history and geography cancelled entirely due to...the lack regard for crucial academics of this school district. *disdain filled glare*

Sorry, I'm sure there were other cases of guillotines used for executions during war, and there is countless cases of the "queen/citizen revolt" throughout history, or, it's all symbolic or metaphoric for the point of apostasy of various things coinciding with the war theme.
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