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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:48 pm
For or Against?
I saw it mentioned in the Abortion debate so I thought I'd post a new topic about it.
My thoughts:
I'm not like most people so some of my thinking may seem "out-there" or slighty "wtf?"
I'm against the death penalty. To me, if a person happened to murder someone I cared about, I honestly wouldn't want him/her to die. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't want him/her to be punished severly. I mean, what the ******** am I gonna get out of the murderer's death? Is it going to bring my loved one back? No. Is it going to bring me closure? Probably not. But I wouldn't want him/her to be treated like a king/queen in jail either. For serious offences like murder and rape, they should have no access to the internet or phones or anything. No tv time, no nothing. Just time to live whatever remains of their lonely lives alone. They shouldn't get the best of food, they shouldn't get visitors, no nothing. Or at least something that punishes them. Death is the easy way out. I'd be pissed the ******** off if a person that raped me got out that easily through execution.
I remember a conversation with an ex of mine and he said that public executions should be legal. Because it would scare people into following their government. That's one of the most idiotic things I've heard of. People shouldn't fear their government, they're supposed to feel safer with it.
I can't think of anything else to say at the moment because I'm being too scatterbrained, but please put in your own input.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:58 pm
I'm for it. I think we should kill all prisoners who have a life sentence and without meds. While they are wide awake. That would stop the over crowding of prisons. Did their victums get the pleasure of dieing in their sleep? And also, we'd see a dramtic drop in crime. I also think that prisons should be prisons, not rehabilitation centers. As they are now, I don't understand why anyone is homeless. I'd be smart, go kill someone, confess, get life in prison. Never have to worry about a job, food, or money. And you even get internet and TV. What a deal, especially from being homeless.
As for the public exections, you'd only feel scared if you commit murder and/or rape. We wouldn't go around kill people because they steal a pack of gum from wallmart. Crime should be punished, not rewarded. The current state of prisons reward it, in a way.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:14 pm
marshjazz Crime should be punished, not rewarded. The current state of prisons reward it, in a way.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:29 pm
I don't find it cruel to treat people the way they deserve to be treated. That whole "treat people the way you'd like to be treated" thing, the killers didn't take that into consideration, so why should we. I think a policy of "treat others the way they treat you" policy should be held. Eye for an Eye, life for a life. It is only adding to death, but what if a killer escapes from prison. Yes, it is rare, but I don't want that thing back out on the streets. I don't think death should be all cherry for them either. Most people hope, dream, pray to die the way they do. Everyone wants to die in their sleep. But you have to be a serial killer to be sure you'll get that treatment. It makes no sense.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:35 pm
It really doesn't make sense for them to be basically put down like dogs. But I'm kinda the "eye for an eye leaves us all blind," I think they should be severly punished to the point where they wish they were dead, but they can't.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:47 pm
I would be like that too. But reason why I'm not: Prison over crowding. (also escape, as mentioned above) Also, why should my tax dollars (that I don't pay yet) go to feeding them?
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:18 pm
I think that people who rape and murder their victims should be sentenced to death.
Beaten to death by the family of the lost loved one with sticks and stones.
Make people think twice about that crime.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:33 pm
Ha. xd
My History teach had a basket of stones to throw at us. Never used them though. xd
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:39 am
I'm against it. On more then one occasion has someone been put to death who was then found to be completely innocent. I don't trust any police force to be completely certain on having the guilty person before they kill them, even people who admit to crimes can be covering for someone else.
I would rather them be sent off somewhere for a prison camp like thing where they have to do manual labour all day long. That would be a punishment as it would probably cripple some of them. In the end some of them might die but in that time if new evidence came up which showed they were innocent they wouldn't be dead already.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:15 am
What do you guys think on preferential death penalty, as in it was up to the prisoner to take life in prison or death. Personally, if I knew I was going to be locked in a cage for the next probable 70 or so years of my life I'd rather just end it.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:17 am
Usually if someone is put into prison they are found completely gulity. Not only by the police force but by a jury of 12 people. RARELY, are they actually inocent. If they are protecting someone, they are apparently willing to die for that someone. It would cut down on the people who confess to crimes they didn't commit maybe.
Again, prisons are already over crowded and tax dollars go towards caring for them. Do you really want a raise in taxes, so that they can drive bus loads of people to a work site?
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:20 am
She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
I am somewhat undecided about this topic. I haven't really given it too much thought. I agree that by murdering the killer, the victim would not come back.
I guess it really depends on the killer. If the crime was something like facilitating murder, when you had nothing to do with the murder, and the person was not likely to kill again, then I would say that the person did not deserve a death penalty. But if the person was a sociopath [someone who disobeys the law, and has no conscience about it. Which is a personality disorder], and was very likely to commit such a crime again, I think that the death penalty should be considered. Even though a criminal might be sent to jail for life without parole, there is still that chance that s/he could escape. People make mistakes, and these things happen. I agree that killing someone for the murder of another person, is not going to make peace. This is just how wars begin, is it not? I think there shouldn't be a death penalty, but it really depends on the case and how valid it is. If a person is found guilty of a crime s/he did not commit, and is sentenced to death, because there was not enough evidence against it, then I don't think it is right.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:45 pm
Koon Personally, if I knew I was going to be locked in a cage for the next probable 70 or so years of my life I'd rather just end it.
Anyway, I'm against the death penalty on the grounds that no person has the right to decide when someone else dies. Obviously, people kill others all the time. That's why we have this topic. So why sink to that killer's level? Why satisfy ourselves with blood? It's barbaric, and it's contradictory. Since Joe killed Bob, we're going to kill Joe. That's like the whole eye for an eye law, which is a pretty bad way to make decisions. If someone steals your radio, do you steal theirs? Nope, you send the idiot to jail so that he has plenty of time to hink about how stupid he was for stealing your radio.
I'm not going to lay out a huge arguement for this one like I did in the abortion thread, due to my having one main reason to be against the death penalty, which I've already stated. No person has the right to end another person's life. That's being a control freak. Seeing as we don't want to be a controling goverment, why force death on somebody? wink
Oh, another thing to add, since I know it'll be said. If someone killed someone very close to me, I wouldn't want them killed. Not even for a second. I wouldn't want to stoop to their sick level, to allow myself to think for a moment that I can control when they die. They're the murderer, not me.
In closing, I'll leave it with a question: Why is it called murder when Joe kills Sue, but called capital punishment when the goverment kills Joe?
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:31 pm
The idea that after taking someone's life you lose all your rights.
ONCE MORE THE PRISONS ARE ALREADY OVER CROWDED. What you people are asking is for people to waste money on criminals.
I think things would be better if we incorporated the "eye for an eye" policy. The only way rapers know what it feels like is if it happens to them.
While I agree that one person does not have the right to end another persons life. Refer to the first sentence. (And abortion is completely different to me, I don't consider them people.)
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:44 pm
By that logic, the goverment and all people under it have lost their rights, because we're killing the killer. In jail, you loose many rights, but you cannot loose your human rights. A killer is still a human. A rapist is still a human. A criminal is still a human. To take away a human's basic rights, you stip them of thier humanity, and that is disgusting. That's what Hitler did with the Holocaust, that's what a rapist does to their victim. Why should a civilized person stoop to that level?
And, just in case you hadn't heard, a lot of people get raped in jail. That rapist is probabley going to end up as somebody's b***h at least for a little while, and they'll no damn well what it feels like before the end. Why kill them, give them the easy way out?
Prisons are over crowded, I agree. Though, we put people in small jail sentences for the most ridiculous things. Drunk driving after having your license revoked lands you around a month. Why not impound the car instead? Put a freaking giant fine on the person? That's how you don't over crowd prisons. To use over corwded prisons as an arguement for the death penalty just doesn't work for me. That's like saying, "Those people are just sapping up oxygen... We should just dispose of them."
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