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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:24 pm
Hmm...something about Shabbat makes me feel thoughtful, and something about feeling thoughtful makes me want to post here...
Are there any other converts to Judaism here? I'd love to hear your stories of how you came here...
I started my conversion when I was 13. I was finished by the time I was in high school. As a child, I watched Rechov SimSim (the Israeli Sesame Street) for hours on end. When I was seven, I told my dad I wanted a menorah instead of a Christmas tree. When I was 13, I went to my friend David's bar mitzvah...and I didn't want to leave. I felt more at home at the synagogue than anywhere else on earth. Church and Christianity left me feeling very uncomfortable, and while I had been exploring my options, nothing fit me the way Judaism did.
As it turned out, my birth mother was Jewish. I think that explained a lot. I always WAS Jewish...I just didn't know it. My conversion didn't feel like I was leaving one place and going to another. It felt more like I was waking up to the place I had always been. I might joke a lot about it, but Judaism is my home and there's no place I'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:35 pm
You converted even though your mother was Jewish? Man. That's dedication.
I really have no clue what peaked my interest in Judaism at such a young age. Perhaps it was the Rugrats or Harold from Hey Arnold, but man, it was something I needed most definitley.
My sister did have a friend that was Messianic. She went to service with her once and brought back these little booklets about Shabbat and Jewish weddings. I love it. That was probably the real beginning of everything.
Alot happened in between, and now I'm synagogueless, but more excited than ever. I can't wait to live in a larger Jewish community, because frankly, I'm quite lazy, and it will make things for me a lot easier.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:41 pm
kingpinsqeezels You converted even though your mother was Jewish? Man. That's dedication. I found out after the fact. Go figure. sweatdrop I probably would have still done a conversion anyway, because at 13, I kind of felt like I had something to prove. When I first met Rabbi Bob, he didn't really understand that I was serious about it...because...well I was 13. Kids aren't serious about much at that age. So I went through it, not just for myself, but to earn some sort of...I dunno...acceptance. I wanted to have some sort of spiritual awakening and official welcome into the community. I'm a Reform Jew though, so in the eyes of a lot of people, I don't count anyway. Can't please everyone, I guess.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:49 pm
I'm not quite a convert in the traditional sense, but I guess you aren't either. My mom is Jewish, with more agnostic beliefs than anything. My step-father is Christian, but is pretty secular. I grew up in a house where we weren't taught religion at all, and were told to go out and discover for ourselves what we believed.
I've gone through a whole bunch of religions. I've courted Asatru, Wicca, Islam, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, Pandeism/Pantheism, and others.
I still haven't settled on any one religion, but recently I've been delving into Judaism. A little hard to do since there's no Jewish community to help with my studies, so everything has been online.
I guess I do consider myself a convert, although the process is far from complete.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:52 pm
I still consider myself a Pantheist, in the sense that I think every religion is a facet of one gigantic Divine Truth, and that different people see the same Divine Truth through different facets. Judaism is just my facet, and when I talk and think about religion, it's usually through that scope.
I guess I was really lucky to have been born into an area with a strong Jewish population. I'm not sure what I would have done otherwise.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:37 pm
I'm in the process of converting Orthodox, but I'm not as observant as I was a year ago (as I'm posting on Gaia during Shabbos) because of the field I work in now.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:11 am
I'm not a convert, as I was born and raised in a Jewish family, and all of my relatives are Jewish, but recently, my brothers especially have become really lax on keeping certain aspects of Judaism, and I've grown to like it more. So, I'm a little similar since I'm trying to learn more about Judaism and such. :3
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:42 am
I want to make a shout-out to all converts, too. Converts enrich Judaism tremendously. But I'd also like to caution: it's halachically (halachah = Jewish law) forbidden to ask someone if they're a convert. You aren't required to answer any questions or make any statements that would indicate that you are a convert, if you do not wish to do so. Also, no one is permitted to say of another person, "He/she is a convert," because it's not tzanuah (modest).
One of my friends is a convert. Her daughter came home, distressed, because the teacher assigned them to write the story of their family heritage. "Mom, if I don't write the paper, I'll get an F." I immediately knew the problem, because I knew that my friend and her mother converted when my friend was a child. My friend immediately picked up the phone, called her daughter's teacher, and said, "My daughter is forbidden to write this paper, for reasons of tzniut (modesty). What do you suggest as an alternative assignment?" They worked out another assignment.
That's what it means to be a convert. It's no one's business. It is not that being a convert is shameful, or that having once been a Gentile is shameful, not at all, G*D forbid! It is simply that asking if someone is a convert, or pointing out that someone is a convert, may make the convert feel singled out or excluded, when that should never happen because they are fully Jewish, as much as if they were born Jews. We don't ask, we don't tell, out of respect for the feelings of the convert.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:47 am
Ah. My apologies...I tend to be an extremely open person, and I often make the mistake of assuming other people are as open. It's a character flaw I'm working on.
I like sharing my story, and having seen that other people struggle through the process, I thought a place to talk about it might be welcomed.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:27 pm
I'm still in the process of converting, and I have a lot to learn. I am considering converting fully after university, when I have the time and patience to study the texts completely.
However, for the time being, I believe I'm called Ben Noacht or similar? Feel free to correct me.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:49 pm
Lovecraftian Girlfriend Ah. My apologies...I tend to be an extremely open person, and I often make the mistake of assuming other people are as open. It's a character flaw I'm working on. I like sharing my story, and having seen that other people struggle through the process, I thought a place to talk about it might be welcomed. Me as well, very much so. And I know the modesty thing will really save me a lot of trouble when it gets time for me to marry, but as of right now I like talking about it. People, and some Jews I know, like to say,"Well you aren't actually Jewish", and it is kinda upsetting, because they don't know. I guess people just don't understand that you're born with the intent to someday convert. Or atleast that's how I view it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:16 am
Lovecraftian Girlfriend Ah. My apologies...I tend to be an extremely open person, and I often make the mistake of assuming other people are as open. It's a character flaw I'm working on. I like sharing my story, and having seen that other people struggle through the process, I thought a place to talk about it might be welcomed. I think it's a great idea, and comes from a very warm and sweet place in your heart. Telling your own information is of course fine, and if someone else wants to chime in, that's good too. Asking directly could cause embarrassment, but since you asked the GROUP and not an individual, I think it's probably still okay.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:01 pm
kingpinsqeezels Lovecraftian Girlfriend Ah. My apologies...I tend to be an extremely open person, and I often make the mistake of assuming other people are as open. It's a character flaw I'm working on. I like sharing my story, and having seen that other people struggle through the process, I thought a place to talk about it might be welcomed. Me as well, very much so. And I know the modesty thing will really save me a lot of trouble when it gets time for me to marry, but as of right now I like talking about it. People, and some Jews I know, like to say,"Well you aren't actually Jewish", and it is kinda upsetting, because they don't know. I guess people just don't understand that you're born with the intent to someday convert. Or atleast that's how I view it. Thats horrible... I was born into judaism, but I dont put people down like that. People going through conversion, or having completed conversion are just as jewish as I am. And anyone that would try to put you or any other fellow jews down is stupid. Also, I think there has to be some kind of jewish law against putting others down.. With that said, in the synagogues I've been in, and in my past yeshiva experience.. A lot of the other people there would try to "out jew" my family, and somehow make us feel bad, as if we're less jewish. But I dont believe thats how judaism works.. I always thought that in this wonderful religion, you're not supposed to make others feel bad just because you have more knowledge.. But rather share the knowledge, and try to get others to join in on the fun time and good deeds.. An example of this would be like "HAHA! I can read hebrew faster than you! I'm a better jew!" (Something I got a lot in yeshiva, there are many examples similar to that..), my parents always got "Well, I'm a better jew than you, because we donate more to the yeshiva and the synagogue." These are just two examples of what we got.. :/ One time, my older sister had this boyfriend over for lunch of saturday afternoon.. And he came, and he wouldn't eat anything.. When we asked why he was like "Well, I'm not sure your food or home is kosher." NOTE TO ALL - Don't do that. My mom went nuts on him. She started crying, and she threw stuff at him. He had to run out the door, and soon after my sister, who was also upset with him because he was being a schmuck in the past (he offered her drugs, ect.) , dumped him. My family keeps kosher.. And my mom gets really offended when she cooks, and if someone doesn't eat it. Regardless, I never let them get me down. Because I knew being mean like that isn't the right way to live, or practice the religion.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:43 pm
Well thank you dear, I appreciate that. I think with the goy, they don't really understand how the conversion works, so they just say things because they're uneducated in the matter. But I have been treated like some sort of "poser Jew" by older Jews, because I am so young. I suppose it's understandable that they acted this way.
Anyway, the fact that people try to act that way is insulting, even to them.
No offense, but I find it funny that druggy mcdruggerson would try to get your sister high, but wouldn't eat in your house because he wasn't sure if it was kosher. He could have nicely asked instead of refusing food. I would have done the exact same thing as your mother. She is the one that is a good cook, right? So I would have kicked his butt out of my house for pulling a move like that.
You should always be respectful to your hosts, they might do stuff to your food if you aren't.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:53 pm
That sounds harsh... He should have gone on about how it's a great meal but he wasn't hungry or he felt like eating fruit... These things have to be dealt with carefully. It's actually forbidden to nose into someone's kashrus unless you have a reason to suspect them - and even then, you ask with respect, offer help and explanations - you don't blame or point fingers.
Good thing she dumped him... Sounds like a shmuck indeed!
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