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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:11 pm
I find animal dissecting for high school children a waste of time, money, and animals lives. I'm not completely against animal testing or any of that but we know everything already from dissecting frogs.
In my science class, we dissected worms, crayfish, grasshoppers and frogs. We didn't ever actually dissect the grasshoppers or crayfish, we just looked at their dead bodies (my biology class is a bunch of bullshit) and answered questions. I asked to do computer dissecting but she said she could only get the frog, then never did.
The honors kids dissect things like pigs fetuses (i don't care about fetuses but they probably hurt/killed the pig in the process.) and cats.
How do you all feel about this?
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:57 pm
I don't really like it either...You can still learn the same material from a textbook or online dissection, but teachers who support animal dissection do have a point. It's something hands-on that students get to do in an otherwise lecture-taught class (which is pretty damn boring if you haven't noticed already xd ). Plus it's good to get real-life, hands-on experience in science...So I guess my final position is...It's a pointless waste of innocent lives unless the students are actually serious about going into a biology career or something like that. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:41 pm
I feel that animal disection is a way to get students to realy understand the similarities between all creatures. I just feel upset that they don't disect fetal pigs in many highschools anymore. since pigs anatomy is so very simaler to our own. it gives the student a personal understanding of how our bodies work and how easy it is to realy mess up our insides.
It is a hard thing for the squeemish but it does leave a lasting impresion. my parents are in their fifties and still remember having to disect fetal pigs in biology class.
the animals are farm raised for sientific study. it isn't like they are being pulled out of some marsh and wacked on the head. They are grown and cultivated just like you would grow carots in your garden.
My main argument pro disection is it is a learning tool that hits all the senses that text books or computer simulations just don't. however I don't feel you should be forced to do it if you plan to go into acounting or somthing non-nature or medical based.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:16 pm
Bloogonis I feel that animal disection is a way to get students to realy understand the similarities between all creatures. I just feel upset that they don't disect fetal pigs in many highschools anymore. since pigs anatomy is so very simaler to our own. it gives the student a personal understanding of how our bodies work and how easy it is to realy mess up our insides. It is a hard thing for the squeemish but it does leave a lasting impresion. my parents are in their fifties and still remember having to disect fetal pigs in biology class. the animals are farm raised for sientific study. it isn't like they are being pulled out of some marsh and wacked on the head. They are grown and cultivated just like you would grow carots in your garden. My main argument pro disection is it is a learning tool that hits all the senses that text books or computer simulations just don't. however I don't feel you should be forced to do it if you plan to go into acounting or somthing non-nature or medical based.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:04 pm
I'm perfectly okay with disecting animals just as long as they died naturally, and weren't killed just for the sake of students exploring their insides.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:09 am
Raging Heart I'm perfectly okay with disecting animals just as long as they died naturally, and weren't killed just for the sake of students exploring their insides.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:02 pm
I'm against it - it isn't necessary. I studied biology and part of the course involved doing a dissection on a fish, mainly to learn about respiration. I was allowed to sit out and study the topics using a text book with diagrams. One of the other students told me afterwards that the dissection was all messy and it was difficult to see what was going on - the diagrams in the textbook were much clearer. Incidentally, I got the best marks in the class in the exam on that part of the course - showing that in my experience opting out of the dissection certainly didn't mean I learnt less.
I don't think dissection should go on in schools - there are books and computer programs which can show what goes on inside bodies. Dissection just teaches kids a disregard for other animals.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:31 am
Badgerkin I'm against it - it isn't necessary. I studied biology and part of the course involved doing a dissection on a fish, mainly to learn about respiration. I was allowed to sit out and study the topics using a text book with diagrams. One of the other students told me afterwards that the dissection was all messy and it was difficult to see what was going on - the diagrams in the textbook were much clearer. Incidentally, I got the best marks in the class in the exam on that part of the course - showing that in my experience opting out of the dissection certainly didn't mean I learnt less. I don't think dissection should go on in schools - there are books and computer programs which can show what goes on inside bodies. Dissection just teaches kids a disregard for other animals.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:38 pm
funwithjoysticks I find animal dissecting for high school children a waste of time, money, and animals lives. I'm not completely against animal testing or any of that but we know everything already from dissecting frogs. In my science class, we dissected worms, crayfish, grasshoppers and frogs. We didn't ever actually dissect the grasshoppers or crayfish, we just looked at their dead bodies (my biology class is a bunch of bullshit) and answered questions. I asked to do computer dissecting but she said she could only get the frog, then never did. The honors kids dissect things like pigs fetuses (i don't care about fetuses but they probably hurt/killed the pig in the process.) and cats. How do you all feel about this? i know it sucks that they ask you if you want to do it or not and if you don't for ANY reason they fail you. They should just use a computer program or something like that. So that kids and learn and not have to cut open dead animals.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:26 am
Actually, this just occurred to me: how about no dissection for middle/high school students, but dissection for college students or elective science classes? It's a waste of an innocent animal's life if someone who really isn't interested and won't even give a damn or try his/her best in the dissection has to dissect. But since in college and elective classes you actually choose the class for yourself, it shows a higher level of interest and therefore the dissection would be more beneficial. smile
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:36 pm
rikuHEART Badgerkin I'm against it - it isn't necessary. I studied biology and part of the course involved doing a dissection on a fish, mainly to learn about respiration. I was allowed to sit out and study the topics using a text book with diagrams. One of the other students told me afterwards that the dissection was all messy and it was difficult to see what was going on - the diagrams in the textbook were much clearer. Incidentally, I got the best marks in the class in the exam on that part of the course - showing that in my experience opting out of the dissection certainly didn't mean I learnt less. I don't think dissection should go on in schools - there are books and computer programs which can show what goes on inside bodies. Dissection just teaches kids a disregard for other animals. I find it really sad that people would view dissecting an animal as adding fun or entertainment to, in your words, 'an otherwise very boring class'. It's a rather damning indictment of human nature. sad If this is the case then it puts dissection firmly on the same moral ground as hunting for sport or dog fighting. Killing animals for fun is simply unjustifiable. As I said, there is certainly no educational value in dissection when studying biology. Everything necessary can be learnt (and in my experience learnt better) through textbooks, lectures and computers. If people find biology boring (personally, I find it fascinating!) then I suggest they drop the subject as soon as possible and study something which does interest them rather then resort to slicing up animal corpses to liven up their lessons. >.<
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:29 pm
Badgerkin rikuHEART Badgerkin I'm against it - it isn't necessary. I studied biology and part of the course involved doing a dissection on a fish, mainly to learn about respiration. I was allowed to sit out and study the topics using a text book with diagrams. One of the other students told me afterwards that the dissection was all messy and it was difficult to see what was going on - the diagrams in the textbook were much clearer. Incidentally, I got the best marks in the class in the exam on that part of the course - showing that in my experience opting out of the dissection certainly didn't mean I learnt less. I don't think dissection should go on in schools - there are books and computer programs which can show what goes on inside bodies. Dissection just teaches kids a disregard for other animals. I find it really sad that people would view dissecting an animal as adding fun or entertainment to, in your words, 'an otherwise very boring class'. It's a rather damning indictment of human nature. sad If this is the case then it puts dissection firmly on the same moral ground as hunting for sport or dog fighting. Killing animals for fun is simply unjustifiable. As I said, there is certainly no educational value in dissection when studying biology. Everything necessary can be learnt (and in my experience learnt better) through textbooks, lectures and computers. If people find biology boring (personally, I find it fascinating!) then I suggest they drop the subject as soon as possible and study something which does interest them rather then resort to slicing up animal corpses to liven up their lessons. >.<
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:59 pm
The cats were euthanized by animal shelters. They were dead, so they might as well donate their carcasses to science.
The fetal pigs are baby pigs that were inside a mother pig's body when the mother was slaughtered for food. The pigs would have died anyway, so they donated their bodies to science.
I wish there were alternatives to euthanizing cats, and I wish people didn't slaughter pigs at all. However, the means by which the dissected animals are acquired for dissection are technically humane... they weren't healthy animals killed for the purpose of dissection.
Frogs, and I suspect grasshoppers and crayfish, are another story.
I agree that it's a waste of timeand money, though. I didn't learn anything by ripping apart a dead animal's body. That's what pictures are for.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:09 pm
This is an argument I've held with my parents on several occasions. rikuHEART, however, brought up the suggestion I pose to all of my science teachers and my parents when I am told that I need to dissect something. When our class was dissecting rats, I opted out and instead wrote an essay claiming my reasons and better ways to go about the lesson. I also did the dissection by the computer. I absolutely think that middle school and high school students should not go through dissection in their classes. Instead they can dissect by the computer programs that I know they have or simply read the text book. By the time students are in college, they will have an idea on what career or interest to pursue and from there can opt to take biology classes that includes dissection. The need for hands-on learning is absolute for doctors, veterinarians, etc. But students don't always know what they wish to do in their middle school and high school classes. Also, I find many people to be very disrespectful to the dead animals bodies in the classroom.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:50 pm
0spirit_of_winter0 This is an argument I've held with my parents on several occasions. rikuHEART, however, brought up the suggestion I pose to all of my science teachers and my parents when I am told that I need to dissect something. When our class was dissecting rats, I opted out and instead wrote an essay claiming my reasons and better ways to go about the lesson. I also did the dissection by the computer. I absolutely think that middle school and high school students should not go through dissection in their classes. Instead they can dissect by the computer programs that I know they have or simply read the text book. By the time students are in college, they will have an idea on what career or interest to pursue and from there can opt to take biology classes that includes dissection. The need for hands-on learning is absolute for doctors, veterinarians, etc. But students don't always know what they wish to do in their middle school and high school classes. Also, I find many people to be very disrespectful to the dead animals bodies in the classroom.
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