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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:47 am
I've seen a few topics involving Christianity here, but none involving Islam. So, forgive me if this is a bad choice of a topic, but I'm curious now. What do all of you think about the sister religion to Judaism? Does it have any merits, flaws, is it rubbish, or is it something else? You get the drift of this. Opinions opinions opinions please. smile
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:17 pm
Umm.. my only grip with it is that... people like Osama Binny Laden practice it.. and they misconstrue what jihad means.. Then again.. a lot of religious people screw up their religion.. Like a lot of catholics... and christians.. I just dont like that they can use the religion to justify causing terror and killing poeple whether they think they're innocent or not.
I never really thought killing could be justified as a good deed by a religion.. :/
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:35 pm
I'm not particularly sure, as I honestly don't know too much about it. Assuming even this is correct, Ishmael was Abraham's son from another woman outside of marriage, so he was literally a b*****d. When Abraham had Isaac, Ishmael kind of got shunted to the side, which is probably the first beginnings of resentment, as this is where Islam begins. Besides that, we learned in AP Euro that if you die on a Jihad, you go to heaven with 40 virgins, lots of money, etc. To me, that's just an idiotic way to base a religion. I'm not bashing any Muslim, as I don't know enough about it to actually judge, but if that's correct, I see where a lot of things go wrong.
Then again, like Ben said, people could just be using religion to justify their own stupid actions and twisting it around.
I would like to make it clear that I have nothing against Muslims in general, as I'd have to meet them to judge who they are as a person.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:11 pm
AHAHA. If they are our sister religion, G-d help us.
Their beliefs, which I don't know much about, seem very radical, but whatever floats your boat, as long as you aren't killing people in the name of G-d.
Unfortunately, some of them are, and I find it disturbing.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:17 pm
kingpinsqeezels AHAHA. If they are our sister religion, G-d help us. Their beliefs, which I don't know much about, seem very radical, but whatever floats your boat, as long as you aren't killing people in the name of G-d. Unfortunately, some of them are, and I find it disturbing. No idea how anybody could find that disturbing.... xd
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:23 pm
kingpinsqeezels AHAHA. If they are our sister religion, G-d help us. Their beliefs, which I don't know much about, seem very radical, but whatever floats your boat, as long as you aren't killing people in the name of G-d. Unfortunately, some of them are, and I find it disturbing. You'd be surprised how similar their beliefs are to our owns. And to darkphoenix: The 40 virgin thing is a myth. No where in the Qur'an have I ever read that. It's like when Christians claim the OT talks about how everyone who doesn't worship God will go to Hell. It's a nonexistent thing that is used by radical fearmongers to cow the masses.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:43 pm
Dis Domnu And to darkphoenix: The 40 virgin thing is a myth. No where in the Qur'an have I ever read that. It's like when Christians claim the OT talks about how everyone who doesn't worship God will go to Hell. It's a nonexistent thing that is used by radical fearmongers to cow the masses. xd Sweet- I know something my AP Euro teacher doesn't.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:54 pm
I never said that Islam and Judaism aren't alike, I realize they are, but so are all religions in some aspects.
And still, it's Islam. Most of them hate us. What kind of sister hates you? I know it happens, but they're more like the jealous STEP sister or something.
Not jealous because of religion, but jealous because we have it together. Unlike them. They're still working out kinks in the system. And blaming us for everything.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:38 pm
kingpinsqeezels I never said that Islam and Judaism aren't alike, I realize they are, but so are all religions in some aspects. And still, it's Islam. Most of them hate us. What kind of sister hates you? I know it happens, but they're more like the jealous STEP sister or something. Not jealous because of religion, but jealous because we have it together. Unlike them. They're still working out kinks in the system. And blaming us for everything. I honestly couldn't say, because I don't (sadly) know any Muslims offline. I don't think they hate Jews, but more that some of their conservative leaders hate Israel. I severely doubt that it comes down to the common Muslim hating Jews. I mean, they did coexist peacefully with the Jews during their occupation of Spain, and the Crusades.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:25 pm
Dis Domnu kingpinsqeezels I never said that Islam and Judaism aren't alike, I realize they are, but so are all religions in some aspects. And still, it's Islam. Most of them hate us. What kind of sister hates you? I know it happens, but they're more like the jealous STEP sister or something. Not jealous because of religion, but jealous because we have it together. Unlike them. They're still working out kinks in the system. And blaming us for everything. I honestly couldn't say, because I don't (sadly) know any Muslims offline. I don't think they hate Jews, but more that some of their conservative leaders hate Israel. I severely doubt that it comes down to the common Muslim hating Jews. I mean, they did coexist peacefully with the Jews during their occupation of Spain, and the Crusades. This is true, and I'm sorry I sounded so stupid. Of course I don't think most Muslims hate Jews, that was a stupid thing to say.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:23 am
Let me put it this way... When all those terrorists die and go up to the gates of Heaven, and are confronted with God, they'll say: "Look, God, I killed this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person and this person all for you! Are you happy, God?"
And God will reply: "Read the 10 Commandments again!" and send them straight to Hell.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:47 am
I'm thinking that there's a lot of talk, without much knowledge.
The Quran begins, "In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate."
A devout Muslim prays five times a day for peace. Jews pray three times a day for peace. I'm not saying Muslims are more peaceful by nature, but I will say that according to their prayer cycle, we pray for peace 40% less often.
Islam is staunchly monotheistic, like Judaism. Christianity claims to be monotheistic, but in fact pray to a triune deity, much like Pagans and Wiccans, who pray to Mother Earth, Father Sky, and the Sun Child.
"Jihad" means spiritual struggle, not killing people -- One of my good friends who's a Muslim says his personal jihad is against laziness, because every morning he struggles to wake up in time to say the dawn prayers.
Ever heard of the Noachide religion? It's what Judaism teaches that non-Jews should ideally practice, in a perfect world. Islam meets every single qualification of the Noachide path, adhering to all seven of the Noachide Laws. You could Google it.
The Muslim way of slaughtering animals, known as halal ("lawful") or zabiha ("humane") is almost identical to the Jewish way which is known as kosher shechita ("lawful slaughter"). The only difference is that Muslim slaughter doesn't require removal of ALL the blood from the animal, and there are a few more parts of the animal that are permitted under the laws of zabiha slaughter. Also, while a shochet (Jewish kosher slaughterer) must say a blessing before entering the slaughterhouse, a Muslim slaughterer must say a blessing before every single animal that is slaughtered.
The laws of hajaba (modesty) in Islam are extremely similar to the laws of tzniut (modesty) in Judaism. The only difference is that Muslim women cover their necks and ears as well as the other body parts that Jewish law requires to be covered.
Our religions are extremely similar. Our cultures are extremely similar. We are sisters. Muslims, too, are worshippers of the one and only God. Show them some respect; their path is to bring monotheism to the non-Jewish world and show them how to live a righteous life as children of Noah.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:55 am
You know I just find it hilarious how really the beginnings of Islam was that one kid kicked out by ab's. lol tons of baby mama drama 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:04 am
Well you know, if there's one thing I want to learn to do, it's to make decisions based on logic. I understand that not all Muslims like killing Americans and infidels and yadda yadda. In fact, I happen to be a sympathizer for those in Iraq and other middle eastern countries who are having their homes destroyed and be treated unfairly by some of the American soldiers who think it's funny.
I guess you just have to remember that not all Muslims are as silly as the media makes them out to be.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:19 pm
kingpinsqeezels Well you know, if there's one thing I want to learn to do, it's to make decisions based on logic. I understand that not all Muslims like killing Americans and infidels and yadda yadda. In fact, I happen to be a sympathizer for those in Iraq and other middle eastern countries who are having their homes destroyed and be treated unfairly by some of the American soldiers who think it's funny. I guess you just have to remember that not all Muslims are as silly as the media makes them out to be. I would like to see where this observation comes from. Knowing a few soildiers myself who have been back and forth to Iraq, I know how the media is magnifying the very bad things that some of our nutty-er soldiers are doing.. I'm not saying it doesnt happen, but I am saying its probably really rare, and I dont trust our media because our media likes to sell fear, and terror because they believe that is how they will make their money. And unfortunately, for me its not true.. I'm not going to buy a paper anymore because it magnifies the very rare bad things that may have happened, but it doesn't show the majority of how they feel. My friends who are in the army and have been back and forth to Iraq have all said that the Iraqi civilians are very happy that we are helping them, and treat our soldiers with respect (something I can't say our media does unfortunately..). My friends said that they and the rest soldiers that are currently in understand that they need to stay there or else nothing good will come of they progress we have made there so far.. We must protect the democratic government of iraq till it is fully on its feet and functioning well enough to protect itself from insurgency. And they themselves ignore the media because they only tell part of the truth, or none of it at all to sell their paper. They see it all as corrupt, and political.. and they hate politics. I believe we need a president that doesn't like politics.. a no nonsence kind of guy.. our media is self destructive.. It hurts us a lot only for entertainment value, and making a quick buck. Thats in my opinion anyways.
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