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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:57 pm
PLEASE READ THE RESPONSES POSTED.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:10 pm
While I liked the djinn concept, I also understand wanting to write a concept that's not someone else's.
Being short with this because I'm aware I have something of a bias as a personal friend. I hope someone has some kind of idea as to a possible resolution, because I certainly don't.
Better to get conflicts out in the open, though, as has been recently and unpleasantly demonstrated.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:12 pm
Arri, I only said that I think you do not deserve a fa'e if you decide to delete that piece of Sire's life. It was his teen quest. Teenquests are supposed to be major turning points in a fa'e's life, right? And you want to simply delete that?
It'd be like unmaking Sire.
Sure, you can say "Maybe he should go back to being a kid." I really don't think Anya would ever agree to that. You can't press rewind on your life, why should you be able to with a fa'e?
And I know that sounds very hypocritical of me since Rune has been reverted to a child stage. ._. However, he never even had a teen quest. It was an error on Anya's part that she admitted to, and it was her suggestion that he return to the child stage. The current plot with him is going to act as his teen quest.
My problem is the idea of simply erasing an existing teen quest. You can't have a do-over simply because you didn't like the idea. You agreed to it, obviously - you posted it as his teen quest. You can't simply decide later that you didn't like it and decide to ignore it. x_x
I really hope I've explained myself well enough. If there's a problem in my argument, feel free to point it out so I can clarify.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:12 pm
OK, you said be blunt so here it is. Yes you deserve a fa'e you nutty wacko.
Your ideas are interesting and tantalizing when you spoke about them in the AIM discussion. I see no reason you should not have a fa'e, especially Sire. If you feel the need to switch plots around then so be it, he's your's. He belongs to you and no one else. The way you've played him thus far has been marvelous. If anyone says otherwise I'll bap them myself.
Now get your head out of your rear and into the sun where it can see the light of day and function. You have a brilliantly creative mind, USE IT!
((this announcement courtesy of your overtly blunt and honest neighborhood Drac))
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:15 pm
What Drac said. Of COURSE you deserve a Fa'e, you're being way too hard on yourself. Who cares if the idea was originally Mousekinn's? I think you've made it your own! Lord knows not all my ideas for Riven are original. I decided to have him be a summoner because I liked it in Final Fantasy, for heaven's sake. XD But I made the idea my own, and now it's an integral part of him.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:16 pm
Sosiqui What Drac said. Of COURSE you deserve a Fa'e, you're being way too hard on yourself. Who cares if the idea was originally Mousekinn's? I think you've made it your own! Lord knows not all my ideas for Riven are original. I decided to have him be a summoner because I liked it in Final Fantasy, for heaven's sake. XD But I made the idea my own, and now it's an integral part of him. *hugs* Thank you Sosi! As for getting an 'original' idea, why not find someway to combine the old and new ideas? I know I'd be happy to do research for you to help. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:18 pm
.__. Okay. Realizing I probably sound like a b***h now. Arri, I love you. ._. I just really, really think that changing what Sire is is a bad idea. You're upset now, and rightfully so, but I still disagree entirely with deleting part of Sire's life.
I think I'm gonna go hide or something now.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:19 pm
Gosh, that's a toughie... What if you just found a way to incorporate the djinn thing, or morph it into something? Things change, adapt! Maybe you can find a way to transform Sire's djinn aspects into something else using magic! Because the whole fa'e... uh... thing... is totally STEEPED in magic! And magic is chaotic and uncontrollable. So my vote: yes, you deserve a fa'e, and you should just come up with another quest! You're intensely creative, I know you're capable of such a thing. Maybe the whole djinn angle causes a problem and Sire has to get rid of it... or it was all a FRONT, like the Mafia or a sting operation and there's something deeper?
I dunno, just trying to be helpful. redface
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:22 pm
RikProwley Gosh, that's a toughie... What if you just found a way to incorporate the djinn thing, or morph it into something? Things change, adapt! Maybe you can find a way to transform Sire's djinn aspects into something else using magic! Because the whole fa'e... uh... thing... is totally STEEPED in magic! And magic is chaotic and uncontrollable. So my vote: yes, you deserve a fa'e, and you should just come up with another quest! You're intensely creative, I know you're capable of such a thing. Maybe the whole djinn angle causes a problem and Sire has to get rid of it... or it was all a FRONT, like the Mafia or a sting operation and there's something deeper? I dunno, just trying to be helpful. redface eek *laughs* I'm sorry but something about this whole post made me laugh and smile. I know I have tons of books on magical creatures from differnt cultures and I'm sure I could find something to help you morph what Sire is into what you want him to be. No worries. as a added note: Well said Rik!
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:33 pm
Arri, I'll be truthful. I thought about it after seeing this thread and yeah... I think you deserve a fa'e. But I agree with what others have said so far. I think you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. You've done a great job with Sire. It just seems that you always seem to bring yourself down and stuff... and yeah. You need to smile and be proud of what you've done, alright! Even if the idea wasn't yours, weren't you the one who brought that idea to life? Which brings me to something else--I don't think you should delete Sire's teen quest... perhaps you can do something like what Rik suggested. Because yeah... it's like deleting a part of his life; his being.
Um... yeah... don't know what else to say. sweatdrop But yeah. >>
... *poofs away to somewhere else*
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:32 pm
Arri, you can't delete the djinn storyline. It is concrete and in the past. You have spoken to other Fa'e about it and it is a part of THEIR history as well. It would be like deleting the quest to find and rescue Sire's uncle. It affects too many people.
You should have thought more about what Sire was before deciding to follow a idea that you did not totally support. You should figure out a way that ANYA SUPPORTS to make Sire more to your liking.
You deserve a Fa'e. You do RP and you do have new concepts for the diary. Being blunt, my complaints are
1) when you rp, sire is ALWAYS put in a position of danger. it gets.... tiring.
2) i hear all of these half storylines. i hear that sire has moved out, his uncle has done this, sire has done that, but i never SEE the rp or the entry in your journal. i can't keep up with what sire is doing if there isn't physical evidence for me to read that it happened! it makes it hard to rp with you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:37 pm
I'm sorry for sounding like a total cockhat here, but it's true what Brina says. You deserve a Fa'e, though. And you can't take it out of Sire's life that he's a Djinn. You can develop it, but not just take it out.
But, yes. Sire's always in some form of peril, and his plots are really complex and difficult to follow. @-@ other then that, you've done a great job with Sire and no one could ever dream of taking him away.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:47 pm
ALright.
You want blunt.
This isn't really blunt. But it's honest.
That hurts. It almost sounds accusatory, like it's MY fault you're in this situation.
I took time out to try to help you find a good direction for Sire and to try to HELP you from offending people by your RPIng style. Your original idea stemmed from your own created world.. that was, frankly, a bad idea because it gives no one a structured knowledge about this mythos.. you could say hey, my fa'e summons rainign bananas - its' a part of his mythos, adn we' dall be like.. Uhhhhh..
I SUGGESTED a Djinn. I didn't hodl a freaking gun to your head. And, at the time, you were really into it. ANd now, suddenly, he's my character, even though I didn't to a whit of development on him, onkly gave you a mythological basis to run from that sorta fit with his fire theme.
It's like you took the time I spent trying to work with you to find a new theme for Sire and now you're RAMMING It back down my throat. And I'm offended, frankly. Any trouble you'r ehaving conecting to Sire is YOUR FAULT, not MINE. YOU chose the idea. I was making goddamn suggestions, none of which you had ot listen to.
I'm tryign so VERY hard not to sound liek I'm yelling, but right now I want to shake some sense into you.
Now, back on topic.. being that the djinn part is in concrete RP now, no, I don' think you can just rip out this part of Sire.
There was mention of Sire beign a vampire? Ain't going to work with his fire. Fire destroys vampires.
Do you deserve a Fa'e? Bah, of course you do. Anya entrusted Sire to you fo ra reason, there are plenty of peopel that wanted him, but she gave him to you.
As for his past, there was a suggetion about getting RID of it? You can't just get RID of a past life.. That's like me.. I dunno.. saying I'm descended from a banana. (I'm in a fruity mood, bear with me).
In any case, you can find something that makes htis more comfortable fo ryou. Research, research, research. It takes a lot of thought to flesh out these Fa'e, it's not somethign you can whimsy away like picking your color of underwear :3 (Though I guess osme people are really picky abou tthose thigns.. I just make certain if I'm wearing white I don't have pink undies on or something.. )
Saying you don't deserve a fa'e becaus eyou're struggling with concept isn't right.. it's just goin gto tak esom eserious thought and mapping out of plot and storyline on your part.
In Response ot Brina..
1. I completely agree. Tiring and .. well.. attention whorish. (which we all have trouble with sometimes, when it feels our Fa'e isn't gettign enough OMG attention)
2. She's righ there, too. it's that, I think, you have so much you wan tto do with Sire that you fail to DO any of it. You want to move it along, get ot the next factoid in his life.. Sometimes, it's much more interesting and has an ENORMOUS effect on a character's development if you PLAY OUT these little tidbits. That way, you and your character can work out on paper (or on screen) his reactions, his emotions towards thing.. you're not just making an assumption. And it's clear to all of us, then, too, so we can enter into these storylines, perhaps, and interact with Sire.
Part of character development is the interaction side of things.. and half the time, these plots are so convoluted that there's no choice but for the other fa'e to sit on their butts and gawk at you. You'll pull out this character or that character to solve your own plot devices.. and it leaves some of us feeling like we shouldn't even bother because Character X is goign to show up adn save the day anyway. ^^; We talked a little bit about that way back when.. and you really have gotten better. But sometimes, still...
eh. THat's my 2 cents. I gotta pack to head home for Bird Day. z.z Course, now i'm grumpy.. but that's not too much of a change.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:23 pm
I've already talked to you about a lot of this over AIM. My $0.02 is this:
1. Yes, you deserve a Fa'e.
2. If you didn't like the Djinn arc, no one FORCED you to do it.
You know me, Arri, I'll be blunt whether you want to hear it or not. That doesn't mean I'm not still your friend. Hell, if I weren't your friend, I wouldn't bother at all.
I see you a lot of times complaining that Sire's story isn't yours, that you want to make him your own, etc... but up until recently (As in, within the past two days), you have done not a lot in MAKING him your own. When it comes down to what he's doing, his storyline, etc, you're more worried about what others think than what YOU want him to do. If someone else doesn't like it, you tend to scrap an idea.
If you don't want Sire's ideas to be someone else's, then stop making everyone else decide FOR you, when you say you can't come up with anything. All we're doing is trying to help, for crying out loud, but if we're going to get blamed for Sire's ideas not being your own, we're just going to stop helping.
He is YOUR character, Arri. Yours. Not Jin's, not Mouse's, not anyone else's. If you didn't like the Djinn idea, you shouldn't have done it. It's part of his history now, it can't be undone. If you don't like Sire being ideas from everyone else, then come up with your own instead of coming into the middle of chat and complaining that you can't. Because then, as a whole, we want to HELP you come up with something. You can't blame Mouse or anyone else for trying to help.
I'm sorry if this sounds mean, or what have you. I don't intend it that way at all. You're my friend, and you will continue to be my friend. However, as a friend, I have the right to tell you when you're making a mistake.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:59 pm
Arri, don't be stupid. You deserve Sire just as much as any of us Guardians deserve our fa'e and you know this. You're always so down on yourself. :\
If you don't like the djinn thing, change it over a course of time with some well thought out RP that -you- like. You can't just go and delete that whole part though because yes, it involves other people now and it's part of their fa'e's history. Really focus on a plot line and go with it.
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