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This will require that I create a hypothetical Christian. But first, I'd like to establish from many of your perspectives as Christians, you believe suicide is a sin, I will be working under that assumption for this entire post. Please correct me if you think otherwise.

Now, onto our hypothtical person. He's a Chrisitian, believes in sin and Heaven. As a result, he wants do die, so he can get to Heaven, as he's beena good person and is sure to go to Heaven. I know this is slightly unlikely, but just accept it for the sake of argument. However, our hypothetical Christian knows suicide is a sin, so knows it's not an option. But he does think that maybe if he invited death, but didn't actually take his own life, it'd be okay. He takes up mountain climbing and other such dangerous sports, as well as eats a horrible diet. Say he has a heart attack while climbing a boulder and falls fifteen feet onto his head. Does he go to Hell or Heaven?

Suicide is not a sin. The only part of the bible that (as I've seen) mentions suicide as a sin is in the book of Tobit, which is in the apocrypha.

As to the actual question:
Yes, I would say that he has committed suicide. All the things he did were with the intent to have it kill him, and, since G-d would certainly know this, he would go to hell (on the false assumption that suicide is a sin).

Yes, it's suicide. God judges on the motive, not the action. (Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully....) As such, assuming suicide was a sin, he would go to the darkness.

However, I've never believed suicide was a sin.

Why didn't Jesus just die and resurrect as soon as He was capable of killing Himself? Because there was still much work to be done. Even though Christians are already saved from Hell, our priority now is acting as Jesus did and reaching as many people as we can while we are alive.



Um, I think you should read what you just wrote. confused

That's exactly what I would call brainwashing people who disagree with you. This is where I have a lot of problems with Christians in general. While you may think conversion is a noble act, I'm slightly disgusted. Even though you're not about to go off killing thousands in the name of your made-up God, it's that kind of attitude that enforces the crazies who actually will start a crusade.

Yeah... I'm kind of fighting a losing battle there xd

Um, I am sure about my beliefs. It's just that, think about it. If I had killed myself a year ago, I never would've met immanuelkant (who was my boyfriend at the time the guild was created). He wouldn't have gotten into Gaia and been inspired to make a Christian guild. People like omnimodus would not have found it (because it wouldn't have existed), and like omnimodus would still be a Satanist. It's reasons like this that my life is worth living, and why I don't just rush to be with my King now. Yes, I'm saved, but there are many people who aren't.

My beliefs on the matter... yes, I believe that suicide is a sin. That falls under murder, which is definitely on the list of things God said NOT to do. On the other hand, I fail to believe that just because you killed yourself you'll go straight to hell. If you've served God your entire life -- or even just converted recently -- then were driven to do one stupid thing and actually succeeded at it, I don't think you'd be punshed for "dying in sin" as so many churches like to say. I mean, you could lie to your pastor, walk out into the street and get run over by a car and "die in sin." God sees all sin the same, whether it's a little white lie, a rape or a suicide. Either way, when you stand at the pearly gates, God will look hard at you. If he sees the blood of his son on you, you're still pardoned. You still belong to him, and you're still going to claim your place in heaven.

At least that's what I think. mrgreen

Did it come out like that? I was trying to that it was possible that his mind wouldn't be open to new ideas. Also, the media doesn't really pay attention to the not-crazy Christians. *coughfredphelpscough*