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 Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:35 pm
I thought this would be a rather nice discussion to get going. It's fairly self-explanatory: do you view Steampunk as a 'proper' Subculture? If yes, do you consider yourself a member of it?
I personally view Steampunk as having many of the traits that subcultures have - it's own fasion, music, and (of course and most importantly) a way of life; not to mention the sci-fi genre that goes with it. So be those accouts then yes, it is a subculture. And then yes, I consider myself a member of it.
(I found that I enjoyed and partook in every aspect of it as a subculture, before I even realised there was a subculture).
However, can it really be classified as a subculture? I'd rather like it to be, if only to avoid other labels, and to better 'align' myself. I'm just not sure whether it is 'definite' enough to be a subculture - there are no real set rules, you just have to be into every aspect of it to at least a minor degree. Does that discount it from being a subculture? I'm not really sure, to be honest.
But I rather like the fact it is not as rigid as /other/ subcultures, as long as you enjoy it it gives you the freedom to enjoy it in whatever way best suits you.
Feel free to share you own opinions and views below, as well as to Vote!
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:32 pm
I guess I would consider it a subculture, going on what you said. But that's just me sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:26 pm
There's nothing sub- about SteamPunk. It's a superculture.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:39 pm
Odd Boy Out There's nothing sub- about SteamPunk. It's a superculture. XD well said!
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High-functioning Werewolf
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:50 am
I would certainly consider Steampunk to be a subculture. Maybe one of the less spoken of ones (I have this nasty habit of thinking things are gaining global noteriety once I'VE heard of them) but it's certainly THERE and people like it. I was recently looking at my favorite goggle website, pricing a few pairs, only to find that the maker will soon be offering a Steampunk styled pair. I would call that a bit of proof there, no?
I'm not sure if I can consider myself a member of the Steampunk culture yet. I am, after all, a bit of a newbie when it comes to things beyond the music. redface
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:57 am
I've just returned from looking through various wikipedia articles regarding subcultures. (Yes, I know wikipedia cannot be taken in stone, but it was mainly for viewin the various discussions they held there). It seems to be that previously "Steampunk" was put under as a thematic subculture. However, this has since been removed, and is no longer present on the list. BUT there is still an entry under "Cyber" (i.e. cyberpunk), so surely if cyberpunk (whilst admittedly an older and more 'populated' subculture) counds, then Steampunk must also be classed as a subculture? I personally think it should, as I feel it does meet all the criteria for a subculture. I think the main thing we seem to have arrived here is that (at least for the most part) that it is a subculture. Huzzah! Anyways, I feel some correction may need to be made to wikipedia then. Currently, wikipedia has one page for Steampunk, which covers the sci-fi genre, but only touches on the subculture aspect. Therefore I suggest a new, sperate article be made for the subculture aspect, which them also be added to the List of Subcultures. I may do this, but I feel it may be best left to someone better at such things than I am. Thoughts, anyone? EDIT: I've just found out trekkie is considered a subculture. If that is, steampunk most definitely is!
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:40 pm
I suggest that we have a group effort-y thingy here, with anyone who wants to writing a section for the article, and perhaps then the individual deemed to have made the best/greatest contribution could win a prize or some such.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:50 pm
Vanghar I've just returned from looking through various wikipedia articles regarding subcultures. (Yes, I know wikipedia cannot be taken in stone, but it was mainly for viewin the various discussions they held there). It seems to be that previously "Steampunk" was put under as a thematic subculture. However, this has since been removed, and is no longer present on the list. BUT there is still an entry under "Cyber" (i.e. cyberpunk), so surely if cyberpunk (whilst admittedly an older and more 'populated' subculture) counds, then Steampunk must also be classed as a subculture? I personally think it should, as I feel it does meet all the criteria for a subculture. I think the main thing we seem to have arrived here is that (at least for the most part) that it is a subculture. Huzzah! Anyways, I feel some correction may need to be made to wikipedia then. Currently, wikipedia has one page for Steampunk, which covers the sci-fi genre, but only touches on the subculture aspect. Therefore I suggest a new, sperate article be made for the subculture aspect, which them also be added to the List of Subcultures. I may do this, but I feel it may be best left to someone better at such things than I am. Thoughts, anyone? EDIT: I've just found out trekkie is considered a subculture. If that is, steampunk most definitely is! Interesting I am a fan of Cyber and steampunk but I never thought of them as subclutures but as gernes for lit. and games Hell, I started with Cyberpunk 2020 then read Castle Falkenstin (both great table top RPs)
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:56 pm
kobold505 Vanghar I've just returned from looking through various wikipedia articles regarding subcultures. (Yes, I know wikipedia cannot be taken in stone, but it was mainly for viewin the various discussions they held there). It seems to be that previously "Steampunk" was put under as a thematic subculture. However, this has since been removed, and is no longer present on the list. BUT there is still an entry under "Cyber" (i.e. cyberpunk), so surely if cyberpunk (whilst admittedly an older and more 'populated' subculture) counds, then Steampunk must also be classed as a subculture? I personally think it should, as I feel it does meet all the criteria for a subculture. I think the main thing we seem to have arrived here is that (at least for the most part) that it is a subculture. Huzzah! Anyways, I feel some correction may need to be made to wikipedia then. Currently, wikipedia has one page for Steampunk, which covers the sci-fi genre, but only touches on the subculture aspect. Therefore I suggest a new, sperate article be made for the subculture aspect, which them also be added to the List of Subcultures. I may do this, but I feel it may be best left to someone better at such things than I am. Thoughts, anyone? EDIT: I've just found out trekkie is considered a subculture. If that is, steampunk most definitely is! Interesting I am a fan of Cyber and steampunk but I never thought of them as subclutures but as gernes for lit. and games Hell, I started with Cyberpunk 2020 then read Castle Falkenstin (both great table top RPs) well, primarily there were genres of sci-fi (and still are) however, from them a subculture has grown, forming what we know as Steampunk today, which not only includes literature but also fasion, music and a lifestyle. That is why I feel it is a subculture.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:00 pm
Hmm. All I have seen it in is Liturature and Games, not in the other things, same with cyberpunk. question
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:10 am
kobold505 Hmm. All I have seen it in is Liturature and Games, not in the other things, same with cyberpunk. question Then praise fortune that you have seen the light of all that is steampunk!
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:51 am
The article "Varieties of SteamPunk Experience" in the first volume of SteamPunk Magazine is of the opinion that SteamPunk cannot become a full fledged subculture because the precept it is based on has never existed except in works of fiction.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:25 am
I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures...
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:52 am
Odd Boy Out The article "Varieties of SteamPunk Experience" in the first volume of SteamPunk Magazine is of the opinion that SteamPunk cannot become a full fledged subculture because the precept it is based on has never existed except in works of fiction. That's a very good point, but I have two comments to make on it. Why must a subculture be based on something in reality? Punks and emos etc. are purely based on themselves (which didn't exactly exist before the subculture did) and are subculture, so why can't steampunk be by the same token? Also, how does your point account for the fact that trekkie is classed as a subculture?
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:36 am
Linfac I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures... Steampunk itself aside, I would have no doubt in saying that Cyberpunk is indeed a subculture.
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