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Gendou
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:30 pm


I want to discuss the new book, as well as the past books, without fear of spoiling them for those who haven't read them yet. Hence this thread. If Rommy thinks this is misplaced, she can delete it and we'll move to another forum. I just wanted to limit the discussion to CoM'ers, per personal preference.

Having finished book six, I have to say that this book is far better than the last one.
The last one was full of oddities that made it seem more like a badly written fanfiction than an actual book (AngstyHarry, magic-morphin' power-witch and death-steeds all seem like things a fanchilde would imagine) by the actual author.

Half-Blood Prince, fortunately, redeems the franchise for me, and has me looking forward to Book Seven with something akin to fear - I really don't want the series to end.

Now, a few theories regarding the end of the book:

First, RAB is Regulus Black, Sirius' brother. This seems obvious to me. It also seems obvious the the unopenable locket mentioned in OoP is the stolen Horcrux, and seems equally obvious that Mundungus stole it from #12, along with (possibly, given his penchant for pretty cups) the Hufflepuff cup. Book Seven will likely have Harry and Friends hunting down the locket and cup that Mundy sold.

Second, Snape is not necessarily irretrievable. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but the parallelism between Harry injuring Dumbledore out of necessity and Snape killing Dumbledore out of similar necessity are too blatant to be ignored.
Even so, I'm not absolutely sure this is a plausible theory, as killing Dumbledore would seem to be a very, very bad thing even if he were doing it on Dumbledore's orders.

Third...

Well, we'll wait and see what others have to say before proceeding with further theorizing.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:41 pm


Gendou

Having finished book six, I have to say that this book is far better than the last one.
The last one was full of oddities that made it seem more like a badly written fanfiction than an actual book (AngstyHarry, magic-morphin' power-witch and death-steeds all seem like things a fanchilde would imagine) by the actual author.


I'd have to agree, although all the emo was kinda hard to get through, at least it was justifyable.

Gendou
First, RAB is Regulus Black, Sirius' brother. This seems obvious to me.


No duh. xp

Gendou
It also seems obvious the the unopenable locket mentioned in OoP is the stolen Horcrux, and seems equally obvious that Mundungus stole it from #12, along with (possibly, given his penchant for pretty cups) the Hufflepuff cup.


I was guessing that the locket in Oop was the Horcrux, but I was unsure about the cup. One thing I have to wonder about, is if Harry will attempt to keep Gryffindor's sword, or if he doesn't, will Voldemort try to split his soul again? (if he noticed the Horcrux were destroyed).

Gendou
Book Seven will likely have Harry and Friends hunting down the locket and cup that Mundy sold.


Most likely, however, they might be looking for other objects too.

Gendou
Second, Snape is not necessarily irretrievable. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but the parallelism between Harry injuring Dumbledore out of necessity and Snape killing Dumbledore out of similar necessity are too blatant to be ignored.
Even so, I'm not absolutely sure this is a plausible theory, as killing Dumbledore would seem to be a very, very bad thing even if he were doing it on Dumbledore's orders.


I sure as hell hope that snape isn't retrievable. He always seemed to be a bit on the darkside since the beginning, and it would be a total plotkill if he was secretly on the side of good (and had to kill Dumbledore in order to keep his cover - which sounds ******** stupid to me...)

PinkFuzzyBunny


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:44 pm


I agree that this book was far better than the last, in which there seemed to be too much going on at the same time.

As for theories:

Snape has a reason to sympathize with Voldemort, asides from the obvious fear of dying, they both have had bad childhoods, (back in OoP during the occlumency lessons), what rationale would he have to stay with dumbledore, after he realized that dumbledore's reflexes had slowed?

Another:

Notice that, the only other family dumbledore is supposed to have, is absent from the funeral, what of his brother?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:52 pm


Islington
Notice that, the only other family dumbledore is supposed to have, is absent from the funeral, what of his brother?


I thought I remembered reading he was there.

Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth, is the barkeep at the Hog's Head.

AllianceSJR


Kyraa
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:56 pm


I think Snape did it out of nessesity. There were 4 other death eaters AND Malfoy *right there* watching him. And Dumbledore's pleading easily could have been for a quick death instead of torture. And I think Malfoy will turn out ot be good, too. Like... random person number three said in OoP : There are more than two types of wizard. They don't fall into Good and Death Eater.

And now I'm going to have to reread all the books. Apparently Chamber of Secrets has hints? Eh.

Yah. :3 That's about it from me, I'm afraid. Not too clever. Of course, something will happen over the summer that will convince them to go back to Hogwarts, or else there would be no reason for her to keep it at 7 books, which is one per year at the school.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:58 pm


PinkFuzzyBunny
(and had to kill Dumbledore in order to keep his cover - which sounds ******** stupid to me...)

I have to agree with this. However, I've always liked having a 'bad good-guy' helping the heroes. Stories of redemption are important, even if they aren't the main bad guy. (Voldemort, for example, is clearly evil to the core and utterly irredeemable) So if JKR can pull it off - and my faith in her storytelling abilities has been restored somewhat by this latest book - I wouldn't mind keeping Snape in the fold.

Gendou
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PinkFuzzyBunny

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:58 pm


Kyraa
I think Snape did it out of nessesity. There were 4 other death eaters AND Malfoy *right there* watching him. And Dumbledore's pleading easily could have been for a quick death instead of torture. And I think Malfoy will turn out ot be good, too. Like... random person number three said in OoP : There are more than two types of wizard. They don't fall into Good and Death Eater.


Did he? If he really was powerful, he could have used surprise to his advantage, and turned on the most powerful there, Dumbledore could then have retrieved his wand through magic, and assisted... not to mention Potter was still there.

Anyone else notice how Snape has ALWAYS found potter when he was under the invis cloak, except for this one time? I found that kind of weird... a small glimpse that he might still be good... though doubtful.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:00 pm


sleepy atm... this post will be edited with real info, and better writing later.

the short story

RAB - damn, am I the only person who missed that?
unopenble locket - ditto

Snape - To be honest I'm not entirely convinced that Dumbledore is really dead.

5 vs 6 - yay! less teenage angst! boo! no truely gripping scenes that made me not want to put the book down. yay! Harry finds someone who doesn't care who he's supposed to be! boo! Ron and hermy are still angsting! yay! malfoy finally decides once and for all who he is! boo! he still hasn't grown a spine!

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Gendou
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:02 pm


Kyraa
I think Snape did it out of nessesity. There were 4 other death eaters AND Malfoy *right there* watching him. And Dumbledore's pleading easily could have been for a quick death instead of torture. And I think Malfoy will turn out ot be good, too.

One of the things that has me convinced that Snape is good is that Dumbledore has never been the pleading sort, even weakened as he was. There was clearly something going on behind the scenes here - even if it's not that Snape is still a good guy.

PinkFuzzyBunny
Anyone else notice how Snape has ALWAYS found potter when he was under the invis cloak, except for this one time? I found that kind of weird... a small glimpse that he might still be good... though doubtful.

Or it could have been to preserve Harry against the threat of the other Death-Eaters. Remember that Snape has orders from Voldemort to keep Potter alive. The other DE's don't seem to be as controlled - particularly the quasi-werewolf.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:03 pm


PinkFuzzyBunny
Did he? If he really was powerful, he could have used surprise to his advantage, and turned on the most powerful there, Dumbledore could then have retrieved his wand through magic, and assisted... not to mention Potter was still there.

But he had the Unbreakable Vow, too. Unbreakable for a reason.

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Anyone else notice how Snape has ALWAYS found potter when he was under the invis cloak, except for this one time? I found that kind of weird... a small glimpse that he might still be good... though doubtful.

First time Potter couldn't move when Snape was around, though.

Kyraa
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Islington

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:07 pm


AllianceSJR
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Notice that, the only other family dumbledore is supposed to have, is absent from the funeral, what of his brother?


I thought I remembered reading he was there.

Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth, is the barkeep at the Hog's Head.
Ill go back and check.

EDIT: Thats a negative, Aberforth is not the barkeep at the Hogs head, the barkeep however does attend the funeral.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:08 pm


Gendou
(...)However, I've always liked having a 'bad good-guy' helping the heroes.(...)

An anti-hero?

*Isn't a Potterite*
*Has nothing* ninja

Grayed


Gendou
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:10 pm


Grayed
An anti-hero?

Except that Snape wasn't an anti-hero, not so much.
He was more of a former evil minion turned good guy.

And you need to read the books.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:10 pm


Kyraa

But he had the Unbreakable Vow, too. Unbreakable for a reason.


Oy, true.


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Or it could have been to preserve Harry against the threat of the other Death-Eaters. Remember that Snape has orders from Voldemort to keep Potter alive. The other DE's don't seem to be as controlled - particularly the quasi-werewolf.


True... who knows, we'll see what happens in the next book I guess. x.x

It just seems like kind of a copout that Snape would be playing double agent... to both sides, in some ways. confused

PinkFuzzyBunny


Mitskini

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:11 pm


Cryllia


RAB - damn, am I the only person who missed that?


No! I asked Usagi and Mory.
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