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 Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:47 pm
It's happening a lot around here guys, and I want to know why. Yes, I know, once one is used to cursing, it's hard to stop, but is it difficult to even control yourself in a Christian forum of all places? Do you think about the curious masses of people who look into this Guild, then stray away due to the profanity around here (since we're showing we're not at all different or in anyway decent, compared to the rest of the world)?
I would like to have a discussion with this community, if that's alright. What are your beliefs on cursing? Are you struggling with cursing, or have you noticed what I have discovered? Please speak up, friend. I'm not, and will not try to bash anyone here; I just want to bring the Word to attention. May He bless you and keep you.
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[1]Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. [2]We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check.
[3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. [5]Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. [6]The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.
[7]All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, [8]but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
[9]With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. [10]Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. [11]Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? [12]My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
James 3:1-12 NIV
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:12 pm
You're right. I do cures to much. I've tried to stop before, but it's hard.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:53 am
Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:27 am
I try not to curse. I'm not sure if I have in this forum or not, but I try my hardest not to curse. It's hard and a lot of times I'll slip up, but it's still not good and I know that.
Lazarus, I have no idea what you were talking about in your last sentence...it might be because I'm groggy from just waking up, but I still just don't understand.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:52 am
Lazarus The Resurected Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context. What such words do you speak of? Anyhow, you will not admit that cursing is indecent at the very least? Think of it this way. I am disenclined to speak with people who curse (although some of my friends do it, I tend to go silent when they have their cussing-sprees). The thing is a great amount of people dislike cursing; it offends them, sir. Also, being able to control our tongue will help separate us from the rest of the world, showing that we strive to be decent people, not creatures with wicked tongues. It also helps us shine an appealing radiance so we may bring more souls to the glory of the Lord. [3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.The Bible speaks of the tongue being able to transform people into evil agents if their abusive speech, no matter how minor it seems, persists. Think of it this way also. Would Jesus curse? xD We must not conform to the world, especially when it comes to fowl speech.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:46 pm
Vesper Morbus Lazarus The Resurected Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context. What such words do you speak of? Anyhow, you will not admit that cursing is indecent at the very least? Think of it this way. I am disenclined to speak with people who curse (although some of my friends do it, I tend to go silent when they have their cussing-sprees). The thing is a great amount of people dislike cursing; it offends them, sir. Also, being able to control our tongue will help separate us from the rest of the world, showing that we strive to be decent people, not creatures with wicked tongues. It also helps us shine an appealing radiance so we may bring more souls to the glory of the Lord. [3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.The Bible speaks of the tongue being able to transform people into evil agents if their abusive speech, no matter how minor it seems, persists. Think of it this way also. Would Jesus curse? xD We must not conform to the world, especially when it comes to fowl speech. Excellent point. We should lead by example.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:47 pm
Vesper Morbus Lazarus The Resurected Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context. What such words do you speak of? Anyhow, you will not admit that cursing is indecent at the very least? Think of it this way. I am disenclined to speak with people who curse (although some of my friends do it, I tend to go silent when they have their cussing-sprees). The thing is a great amount of people dislike cursing; it offends them, sir. Also, being able to control our tongue will help separate us from the rest of the world, showing that we strive to be decent people, not creatures with wicked tongues. It also helps us shine an appealing radiance so we may bring more souls to the glory of the Lord. [3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.The Bible speaks of the tongue being able to transform people into evil agents if their abusive speech, no matter how minor it seems, persists. Think of it this way also. Would Jesus curse? xD We must not conform to the world, especially when it comes to fowl speech. off the top of my head two examples of these words would be ******** and s**t. and no i will not say that swearing is indecent. it is held in that regard by people who have allowed the world to tell them that certain words are not accepted. i say that any word which gets a point accross in the most blatant and easy to understand manner is the best word for the job. as for the glory of the lord? my work in missions was done in heavy metal venues. most people don't accept the gospel from the mouth of a guy who looks like he's going to eat thier babies. the metal scene actually listens to me. and they swear. that understand the language. if someone was from anohter country would you tell them the good news in a your native tongue (provided said forigner didn't speak your native language)? or would you speak in theor language? it's the same thing with swearing. they see me as being a guylike them, not trying to condescend to or change them. but just trying to inform them. it's worked fairly well so far.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:44 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Vesper Morbus Lazarus The Resurected Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context. What such words do you speak of? Anyhow, you will not admit that cursing is indecent at the very least? Think of it this way. I am disenclined to speak with people who curse (although some of my friends do it, I tend to go silent when they have their cussing-sprees). The thing is a great amount of people dislike cursing; it offends them, sir. Also, being able to control our tongue will help separate us from the rest of the world, showing that we strive to be decent people, not creatures with wicked tongues. It also helps us shine an appealing radiance so we may bring more souls to the glory of the Lord. [3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.The Bible speaks of the tongue being able to transform people into evil agents if their abusive speech, no matter how minor it seems, persists. Think of it this way also. Would Jesus curse? xD We must not conform to the world, especially when it comes to fowl speech. off the top of my head two examples of these words would be ******** and s**t. and no i will not say that swearing is indecent. it is held in that regard by people who have allowed the world to tell them that certain words are not accepted. i say that any word which gets a point accross in the most blatant and easy to understand manner is the best word for the job. as for the glory of the lord? my work in missions was done in heavy metal venues. most people don't accept the gospel from the mouth of a guy who looks like he's going to eat thier babies. the metal scene actually listens to me. and they swear. that understand the language. if someone was from anohter country would you tell them the good news in a your native tongue (provided said forigner didn't speak your native language)? or would you speak in theor language? it's the same thing with swearing. they see me as being a guylike them, not trying to condescend to or change them. but just trying to inform them. it's worked fairly well so far.
It all just depends on your culture, community, and overall local scenes you belong to.
If yours is anything like mine, ******** is perhaps the most used word in peoples' vocabulary. As such Iuse it a lot as well in a more humorous, rather than offensive, way when speaking of the gospel.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:28 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Vesper Morbus Lazarus The Resurected Ok so don't curse people. Not a problem the thing is, with the constant evolution of language the so-called "bad words" can be used both in praise and in curse. since we are told not to let both curses and praise come from the same mouth (i disagree with that calling but we'll ge tinto that later) the it is nto about the words used but the context. What such words do you speak of? Anyhow, you will not admit that cursing is indecent at the very least? Think of it this way. I am disenclined to speak with people who curse (although some of my friends do it, I tend to go silent when they have their cussing-sprees). The thing is a great amount of people dislike cursing; it offends them, sir. Also, being able to control our tongue will help separate us from the rest of the world, showing that we strive to be decent people, not creatures with wicked tongues. It also helps us shine an appealing radiance so we may bring more souls to the glory of the Lord. [3]When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. [4]Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.The Bible speaks of the tongue being able to transform people into evil agents if their abusive speech, no matter how minor it seems, persists. Think of it this way also. Would Jesus curse? xD We must not conform to the world, especially when it comes to fowl speech. off the top of my head two examples of these words would be ******** and s**t. and no i will not say that swearing is indecent. it is held in that regard by people who have allowed the world to tell them that certain words are not accepted. i say that any word which gets a point accross in the most blatant and easy to understand manner is the best word for the job. as for the glory of the lord? my work in missions was done in heavy metal venues. most people don't accept the gospel from the mouth of a guy who looks like he's going to eat thier babies. the metal scene actually listens to me. and they swear. that understand the language. if someone was from anohter country would you tell them the good news in a your native tongue (provided said forigner didn't speak your native language)? or would you speak in theor language? it's the same thing with swearing. they see me as being a guylike them, not trying to condescend to or change them. but just trying to inform them. it's worked fairly well so far.
I deeply apologize if I'm having trouble understanding you because of the various typos. If I 'm interpreting you incorrectly, please state so.
The Lord has asked us to obey man's laws, not bend them (I'll try to find the verses once my Bible is returned). Now I'm not saying it's illegal to curse, but it's a type of standard to free your speech of any language society deems filthy or inappropriate. You shouldn't have to curse to attract potential Christians. God can surely give you another way if you take the time to pray to Him.
Cussing may get you to fit into a certain group, but it deflects a large portion of other people who could be saved if they weren't pushed away by offensive language. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who would rather hear you say “of course”, instead of “******** yeah”. Leaving out offensive language makes the environment comfortable for not just a narrow group of people, but for everyone around you, giving you the leeway to plant a seed in the hearts of the lost more effectively.
We're not suppose to weave into society and become a part of it. We're supposed to stand out and lead by example. Show the world that we are different, loving and peaceful. Just copying the crowd will submerge you into the same mess everyone else is suffocating in.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:05 am
I play in a heavy metal band. I preach to heavy metallers, and I do not cuss. They still understand me. Your point is irrelevant, Laz.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:46 pm
Victum Soul I play in a heavy metal band. I preach to heavy metallers, and I do not cuss. They still understand me. Your point is irrelevant, Laz. ever need a guest vocalist then get ahold of me. but the point is not irrelevant. it is still founded inthe principal of using the language that is best suited for the environment or situation. and i still maintain the belief that no word may be consider wrong or offensive only the context in which it is used.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:39 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul I play in a heavy metal band. I preach to heavy metallers, and I do not cuss. They still understand me. Your point is irrelevant, Laz. ever need a guest vocalist then get ahold of me. but the point is not irrelevant. it is still founded inthe principal of using the language that is best suited for the environment or situation. and i still maintain the belief that no word may be consider wrong or offensive only the context in which it is used. well I kinda agree with you. and Ill consider the invitation but I still think swear words in any context, in this time would be considered bad words
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:48 am
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul I play in a heavy metal band. I preach to heavy metallers, and I do not cuss. They still understand me. Your point is irrelevant, Laz. ever need a guest vocalist then get ahold of me. but the point is not irrelevant. it is still founded inthe principal of using the language that is best suited for the environment or situation. and i still maintain the belief that no word may be consider wrong or offensive only the context in which it is used. well I kinda agree with you. and Ill consider the invitation but I still think swear words in any context, in this time would be considered bad words thanks for considering. i'll agree that they are pehaps not "bad" words but a poor choice of word. see as far as i'm concerned any word that gets a point accross is a good word to use, provided that it is understood.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:44 pm
I find that if I just act as I am, not cursing, not because I think the bible is very clear one way or the other, but because they leave a bad taste in my mouth and I don't like them, that I get a lot of people, to come to the lord, not because I'm good on my own, but becuse GOD'S grace shines through me, and it does'nt matter if I am from the same click or a difrent one, as long as I do as GOD tells me to.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:19 pm
Vesper-san: I think you are brilliant and I thank God a kerfillion times over for giving this forum someone so articulate to shed light on this topic. Last year, for example, I cussed a blue streak whenever I got a chance. Honestly, my behavior was pretty bad, even though I called myself a Christian. I never curse anymore. Ever. Or read citrus, which I was heavily into at the time. xp So, honestly, everyone, you can quit any bad habit you need to--God will help. o.o; Wow. My ability to express things the way I want is just totally dead for the evening--I apologize to everyone. I sound like a fifth grader writing and essay. -.-; Ooooooog.
Anywhoodles. Lazarus-san: I understand your logic, I just disagree. I'd go with everyone else on this one, sir. ^^;
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