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Imalane

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:25 pm


I can't believe it, but it announced in the services forum they're closing all the gaia banks! If you are with me, and you find it total crap, follow the link provided and sign and vote yes for saving the banks!

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Chat here and help keep the thread here and there alive! For the ability for us to save gold and gain interest!
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:34 pm


Who needs Power...

Closing like, permanately?(sp?^^')Are you sure? I never heard anything about it.

...when you can have Courage?

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:43 pm



I've signed that petition. I'm so tired of the whole good suffer for the bad crap. Hopefully, the admins will read over that petition and find away to bring the banks back. Some have been ran for over two years.
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:24 pm


Hyrulian_at_Heart
Who needs Power...

Closing like, permanately?(sp?^^')Are you sure? I never heard anything about it.

...when you can have Courage?

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It's in the service forums.... since they didn't have the guts to make a proper announcement.

Imalane


artichokecoolness

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:26 pm


why would they close the banks anyway?
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:10 pm


To many noobs scammed people

Imalane


Sir Lion
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Fatcat

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:25 am


Sir Lion is sorry, maybe this means they are revamping their own gaia banks to have the same function?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:40 am


I like the idea of banks, but I never really liked the idea of privately run banks. Too many opportunities to scam people, no real records, etc. I wish Gaia would have something like a central bank where your gold could work for you without your having to push it around all the time (like in vending).


purplewiz

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Imalane

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:32 pm


Sir Lion
Sir Lion is sorry, maybe this means they are revamping their own gaia banks to have the same function?

Nope. If they do make a proper bank, they aren't going to give interest, because of 'inflation' pssh rolleyes

@purple- If regulations were put on the user-run banks, scams would be cut down
They're just taking the easy way out by not allowing banks at all.
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:42 pm


Imalane
@purple- If regulations were put on the user-run banks, scams would be cut down


But that would be work - and would require hiring more staffers which would cost more money. My understanding is that their staff is pretty much at its limit handling the constant stream of scammers that are already invading.


purplewiz

Crew

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Imalane

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:00 pm


purplewiz
Imalane
@purple- If regulations were put on the user-run banks, scams would be cut down


But that would be work - and would require hiring more staffers which would cost more money. My understanding is that their staff is pretty much at its limit handling the constant stream of scammers that are already invading.

Well... let me ask you this
If someone wants to risk their money with a bank, does gaia have a right to stop them?
And also
Does gaia have the right to make the legit bank's work all for nothing? Some of which had been running for three years, and one I know of which actually plans on giving people their interest even though they don't have to?
And the next thing is, if they don't HAVE to give the interest to us, and still insist on doing so, why do they have to be treated as scammers? Why can't the banks proven legit remain open?
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:51 pm


Imalane
Well... let me ask you this
If someone wants to risk their money with a bank, does gaia have a right to stop them?
And also
Does gaia have the right to make the legit bank's work all for nothing? Some of which had been running for three years, and one I know of which actually plans on giving people their interest even though they don't have to?
And the next thing is, if they don't HAVE to give the interest to us, and still insist on doing so, why do they have to be treated as scammers? Why can't the banks proven legit remain open?


Yes and yes.

Gaia sets the terms of service. The players here choose to use this site for their own reasons, but agree to the terms of service when they create an account and continue connecting here. And Gaia reserves the right to change those terms of service at any time.

(refer to Gaia Terms of Service, section three, which I quote:

" Modification of these Terms. Gaia reserves the right, at our discretion, to change, modify, add, or remove portions of these Terms at any time. Please check these Terms and any Guidelines periodically for changes. Your continued use of Gaia Online after the posting of changes constitutes your binding acceptance of such changes. "

The TOS also explicitly states, in section 7, that Gaia Gold is owned by Gaia Online. Therefore, they do retain the right to decide what players can do with it.)

When you put work into something you don't own, it can be thrown away at any time. Projects at real life corporations are often thrown out for the flimsiest of reasons, like politics, even after lots of money and hours have been spent on them.

I'm sorry for the legitimate bank owners, since they're being caught up in a decision that's bigger than they are, but with the sheer number of scammers showing up daily, I understand why the powers that be at Gaia believed this was a necessary step and took it.

Reading over the closure notice, it seems as if the moderators are being more than reasonable, allowing the user banks two months to shut down and offering help and paths to do so smoothly.

I can understand why a change of this magnitude would upset users - from what I've observed, many users tend to get upset when any changes are made. And I do feel for the bank owners who are going to have to find another way to make a Gaian living. But I also understand why this decision was made, and yes, Gaia did have the right to make it.


purplewiz

Crew

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Imalane

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:57 pm


And if a single bank services over 3000 people, with some having more than a million invested in the bank, and the fact that it is ridiculous to assume that a bank has all the money that has been invested, is two months truly enough time?
The moderators just didn't want to take the time to set down rules for banks. And their taking the easy way out has ended services that helped many people.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:44 am


Sure, Gaia has a right to close the banks just like Argentina had the right to ruin its economy a few decades back. The government should not interfere with the economy.

Baron von Turkeypants


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:34 am


The laissez faire policy of the old Fisiocratic School and Classic School of economy only worked until the economy was complex enough so that it would not work at its best with it. That was when the Great Depression came by 1929, where John Maynard Keyness saw that, to step out of the depression, the government had to intervene the economy. They did, and the economy was saved.

There is a principle that the government should intervene in a capitalist economy when there is a situation that the laws of the market cannot solve for themselves. In fact, the Nobel prize of Economy of 2001, Joseph E. Stiglitz in his book "Globalization and its Discontents" called for the intervention of economy in certain aspects, to avoid many unequalities and problems that the market per se could not solve. It's not that the economy must be run by the State, but regulated by it in order to provide the best system for the welfare of both the microeconomy and the macroeconomy.

As for the case of Argentina, the measure there taken was not the correct way to deal with their economic problems. But as for the closing of banks in Gaia, I would not now yet, since we need to study more the Gaian economy. In another post I agreed to Von Turkeypants' idea of creating essays about the Gaian economy. When those essays are created, maybe then I will have an opinion on the closing of user-run banks.
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