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yodilit

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:56 pm


So, In my Chemistry Class we did a Lab, in which we were to do a battery of tests to determine what an unknown substance was.

However, the tests have left me baffled.
I've got almost no idea which substance it was.

So, I'm asking for your help to determine which substance it most likely is.

Possibilities
NaNO3
NaCH3COO
H2SO4
NaOH
CaCO3
KI

All (aq)

Test Results
1 - Red Litmus Paper - Turned Blue.
2 - Blue Litmus Paper - No Change.
3 - omited
4 - Add Magnesium Oxide - Clear, few bubbles formed on top of the solution.
5 - Add Distilled Water - No Change.
6 - Add Sodium Chloride - Clear, few bubbles formed.
7 - Add Calcium Hydroxide(LimeWater) - Small amounts of white flakey-looking precipitate form in the solution.
8 - Add Zinc Nitrate - No change.
9 - Add Silver Nitrate - Small amounts of white flakey-looking precipitate form in the solution.

The solution was clear to begin with.


If you an help me with this, at all, I will love you forever.
I can't really figure out which unknown it is, at all.

thankyou very much for your time!

chances are, people who help determine the substance will be rewarded with gold or art. Whichever you prefer.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:09 pm


Yodilit
So, In my Chemistry Class we did a Lab, in which we were to do a battery of tests to determine what an unknown substance was.

However, the tests have left me baffled.
I've got almost no idea which substance it was.

So, I'm asking for your help to determine which substance it most likely is.

Possibilities
NaNO3
NaCH3COO
H2SO4
NaOH
CaCO3
KI

All (aq)

Test Results
1 - Red Litmus Paper - Turned Blue.
2 - Blue Litmus Paper - No Change.
3 - omited
4 - Add Magnesium Oxide - Clear, few bubbles formed on top of the solution.
5 - Add Distilled Water - No Change.
6 - Add Sodium Chloride - Clear, few bubbles formed.
7 - Add Calcium Hydroxide(LimeWater) - Small amounts of white flakey-looking precipitate form in the solution.
8 - Add Zinc Nitrate - No change.
9 - Add Silver Nitrate - Small amounts of white flakey-looking precipitate form in the solution.

The solution was clear to begin with.


If you an help me with this, at all, I will love you forever.
I can't really figure out which unknown it is, at all.

thankyou very much for your time!

chances are, people who help determine the substance will be rewarded with gold or art. Whichever you prefer.


First of all, the litmus test in the first two sets of results tell us that the substance is basic. Easy way to remember: Blue is basic.

This will then narrow down the choices as to which substance the unknown may be from the given list.

NaNO3 is neither an acid or a base in the Arrhenius in the acid-base concept, but I think it has a basic pH in solution. Sodium acetate, although used as a buffer, is an acid and so it would not change the litmus to blue. H2SO4 is a strong acid and would also not change the colour of the litmus paper to blue. I know that sodium hydroxide is a base and I'm pretty sure that calcium carbonate also is. I also think potassium iodide is a base.

So, we are left with:
NaNO3
NaOH
CaCO3
KI

Therefore, the rest can be solved by using your solubility rules. For simplicity, I'll show it to you by just putting the number that corresponds to that set of results.


4. Reaction with magnesium hydroxide.

2NaNO3 + Mg(OH)2 --> 2NaOH + Mg(NO3)2 ALL PRODUCTS ARE SOLUBLE
2NaOH + Mg(OH)2 --> 2NaOH + Mg(OH)2 THE MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE PRODUCED WILL BE A PRECIPITATE
CaCO3 + Mg(OH)2 --> Ca(OH)2 + MgCO3 CALCIUM HYDROXIDE AND MAGNESIUM CARBONATE ARE INSOLUBLE
2KI + Mg(OH)2 --> 2KOH + MgI2 ALL PRODUCTS ARE SOLUBLE

Therefore, because no precipitate was formed from this reaction, the unknown must be either sodium nitrate or potassium iodide.


6. Reaction with NaCl

NaNO3 + NaCl --> NaCl + NaNO3 THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
KI + NaCl --> NaI + KCl THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
NaOH + NaCl --> NaCl + NaOH THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
CaCO3 + 2NaCl --> CaCl2 + Na2CO3 THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE

Therefore, because no preciptate was formed by the unknown, the unknown is either sodium nitrate, potassium iodide, sodium hydroxide or calcium carbonate.


7. Reaction with Ca(OH)2

2KI + Ca(OH)2 --> 2KOH + CaI2 THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
2NaNO3 + Ca(OH)2 --> 2NaOH + Ca(NO3)2 THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
NaOH + Ca(OH)2 --> NaOH + Ca(OH)2 CALCIUM HYDROXIDE SHOULD FORM A WHITE PRECIPITATE
CaCO3 + Ca(OH)2 --> Ca(OH)2 + CaCO3 CALCIUM CARBONATE AND CALCIUM HYDROXIDE SHOULD FORM WHITE PRECIPITATES

According to your results, there was a small amount of white solid formed. This therefore leads me to believe that the unknown is either calcium carbonate or sodium hydroxide. However, in the test with magnesium hydroxide, the theoretical solubilities disprove that the unknown is either of these. So, somewhere along the way, an error has surfaced in the results. This could have been from impurities etc etc.


8. Reaction with Zn(NO3)2

2KI + Zn(NO3)2 --> 2KNO3 + ZnI2 THERE SHOULD BE NO PRECIPITATE
NaNO3 + Zn(NO3)2 --> Zn(NO3)2 + NaNO3 THERE SHOULD BE NO PRECIPITATE
2NaOH + Zn(NO3)2 --> 2NaNO3 + Zn(OH)2 ZINC HYDROXIDE IS INSOLUBLE
CaCO3 + Zn(NO3)2 --> Ca(NO3)2 + ZnCO3 ZINC CARBONATE IS INSOLUBLE

The results you have support that the unknown is either potassium iodide or sodium nitrate.


9. Reaction with AgNO3

KI + AgNO3 --> KNO3 + AgI AgI WILL FORM A WHITE PRECIPITATE
NaNO3 + AgNO3 --> AgNO3 + NaNO3 THERE WILL BE NO PRECIPITATE
NaOH + AgNO3 --> AgOH + NaNO3 SILVER HYDROXIDE WILL FORM A PRECIPITATE
CaCO3 + AgNO3 --> Ag2CO3 + Ca(NO3)2 SILVER CARBONATE WILL FORM A TAN COLOURED PRECIPITATE

The results show that a white precipitate was formed, which is supported by the reaction of KI with silver nitrate. Calcium carbonate forms a tan coloured precipitate when reacting with silver nitrate, so it can't be that. I'm not sure about the colour of silver hydroxide though. I think it may be white but I'm not sure.




Due to the errors that have occured in the experiment though, it is hard to determine with any certainty, what the actual unknown is. I'm thinking it may be potassium iodide, but I'm not entirely sure because the results when reacting with calcium hydroxide showed that a precipitate shouldn't have formed when there is one. However, all the other reactions are justified by the solubility rules. This inconsistancy, as I said earlier, may have just been formed by impurities in your test tube or something... I'm not entirely sure.

I hope this helps, if not, just PM me smile

Chemical_Kitten
Captain


yodilit

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:30 pm


omg.<33333333.
I can't beleive you wrote all that. .____.


I myself thought it was Sodium Nitrate through most of the trials.
I was actually very thrown off by the fact that nothing reacted with the Ca(OH)2.
Like you said, there was probobly an error.

I'll check with my group to see if we recorded all the same results.
A test was supposedly done with Copper (I) Oxide, however I have a blank in my work for that spot.

but while I was reading your work, I noticed you wrote Mg(OH)2, but it was actually MgO that we used.
i'll have to check out the possiblities from that...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:50 pm


Yodilit
omg.<33333333.
I can't beleive you wrote all that. .____.


I myself thought it was Sodium Nitrate through most of the trials.
I was actually very thrown off by the fact that nothing reacted with the Ca(OH)2.
Like you said, there was probobly an error.

I'll check with my group to see if we recorded all the same results.
A test was supposedly done with Copper (I) Oxide, however I have a blank in my work for that spot.

but while I was reading your work, I noticed you wrote Mg(OH)2, but it was actually MgO that we used.
i'll have to check out the possiblities from that...
I'm on holiday and I need something to do with my time xd Besides, I like to try and help people smile

I can't believe I got magnesium hydroxide and magnesium oxide confused crying Shall re-do it 3nodding


2NaNO3 + MgO --> Na2O + Mg(NO3)2 ALL IS SOLUBLE
2NaOH + MgO --> Na2O + Mg(OH)2 ALL IS SOLUBLE
CaCO3 + MgO --> CaO + MgCO3 CALCIUM OXIDE IS INSOLUBLE
2KI + MgO --> K2O + MgI2 ALL IS SOLUBLE

So according to this test, the unknown is either sodium nitrate, sodium hydroxide, or potassium iodide.

Chemical_Kitten
Captain


zz1000zz

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:45 pm


Drats. There's nothing more for me to help with. Oh well, maybe next time someone needs help I'll get on in time to help.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:28 pm


zz1000zz
Drats. There's nothing more for me to help with. Oh well, maybe next time someone needs help I'll get on in time to help.
aww.
thanks anyway.

and superspecial thanks to Chemical_Kitten! :D

yodilit


Chemical_Kitten
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:23 pm


Yodilit
zz1000zz
Drats. There's nothing more for me to help with. Oh well, maybe next time someone needs help I'll get on in time to help.
aww.
thanks anyway.

and superspecial thanks to Chemical_Kitten! :D
It's no problem really, I enjoyed doing it smile
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