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 Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:03 am
Heres the thing, For my Senior paper, i am doing a Reasearsh paper on Lolita in Harajuku and whatnot. Since i am rather new, and this will not only earn me a n awesoeme grade, but it will teach me some...I need to know some things...
-Names and descriptions of styles
-How the fashion came to be
-Why people dress this way
-Where people dress this way
-Social aspects (if it has anythign to do with elitism im kicking it out...With my understanding Lolita shouldn't be Elitist.)
And anything else you all might think will help....Thanks everyone ^^
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:33 am
Your first questions answers are here -- the third or fourth post down. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=186244All I know are some vague things about lolita being created in the 70's as a reaction again ganguro fashion... People all have their own reasons for dressing in lolita. Many Japanese lolitas in the Tokyo area gather in Harajuku... Most lolita are in Japan, but there are lolitas scattered worldwide. In Japan, the act of dressing unusually is a way for teens to rebel against their conformist society. The general idea of a lolita is best summed up by Novala Takemoto, in my opinon. Lolita is about deciding your own personal decisions -- "I like this, I do not like that". A lolita makes up her own rules and lives by what she believes, not what others tell her to.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 12:33 pm
The Lolita Handbook is a good resource for styles and the ins and outs of being a Lolita. Also, while he writes a lot of essays more generally than Lolita in specific, Novala Takemoto addresses many viewpoints of the Lolita, and you can probably find a lot of content of your social aspects, etc. from his work. Translations of Essays by Novala Takemoto.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:25 pm
Wahh, thanks you guys BTW...I posted this in another Lolita guild and i had to quit because they were so elitist and lame about it >_< And it was too much...
Glad to know there arent lame Loilita's out there xD
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:12 pm
giving accurate information isn't lame
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:05 pm
Pretty much the only information you're going to get is going to be from a foreigner's point of view, most of whom have never BEEN to Harajuku. *myself included*
Completely rejecting the fact that elitists exist, though... whether it's 'lolita' or not, it's still Japanese and it's still a part of the scene in Harajuku.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 11:13 pm
Just because you read it somehwere, or have met some people, dosn't make it completely accurate. So that is lame. I myself HAVE been to Harajuku, and am myself half Japanese. I have litte information regarding Lolita, but when I went there just to see friends, I didn't get any sort of elitist vibe. (I didn't like lolita till i moved away. I was a pretty rough tomboy as a child :/) Now. I know it exists,obviously :/, but its not a necissarilly popular part of the scene. You are making it seem 10X worse than it is. Maybe its part of the scene that gets written up or recorded, but there are things that go on there that you can't experience just from reading. Some are elitist-like, some are just there to have fun. Its a mixer, its not just a bunch of completely similarthinking people going and dressing up, they have personalities, some that don't allow for rediculousness. Mizer Manakins The general idea of a lolita is best summed up by Novala Takemoto, in my opinon. Lolita is about deciding your own personal decisions -- "I like this, I do not like that". A lolita makes up her own rules and lives by what she believes, not what others tell her to. I really appreciate your information, and this quote rings very true to me, but its a bit contradictory to your statment about elitism being part of lolita and Harajuku. And elitist isnt "Japanese". Sure, there are plenty of racist, elitist japanese folks, but arent there just as many here in america? Plus, from experience I know that the younger generations of Japanese are not so elitist as thier parents and grandparents. Im sorry if i've made people mad,I really, really am. Im just very outspoken and sure in my opinions about acceptance.Im trying to take a stand to change something I (and many japanese kids i know) don't belive in, and if i dont want to put it in my paper, I don't have to. Just like people standing up against other things that exist, that are harmfull to people mentally, and emotionally. Somtimes physically.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:07 pm
Drywater The Lolita Handbook is a good resource for styles and the ins and outs of being a Lolita. Also, while he writes a lot of essays more generally than Lolita in specific, Novala Takemoto addresses many viewpoints of the Lolita, and you can probably find a lot of content of your social aspects, etc. from his work. Translations of Essays by Novala Takemoto. I was totally going to post the Lolita handbook. XD I've never run across elitist lolita. wherever you find them, don't bother with them. Why do that when you've got us? biggrin
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:44 pm
The ideal of lolita and the actuality of it are two completely different things...
Whatever. I'm not even going to bother.
You just asked information about lolita in HARAJUKU. They're generally teenagers to begin with in that area.
Is your paper about the people lolitas or the fashion and ideals of being a lolita?
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:54 pm
@Lady Adokenai: Thanks ^^ Always good to see people willing to help others learn...and not spurn them with mean-ness..xD
@Mizer Manakins: Well, i just got done looking at the Lolita hand book and what not, and other sources and paraphrasing all of the styles, and now im focusing on not really the ideals, but people like Mana and Novala takemoto. People who are idols and stuff among lolitas...from then i have no idea where to go..
Does anyone have any good interviews on Lolita with Mana or Novala takemoto? Or know of any other Lolita idol-type people?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:53 pm
Not all lolita's like Mana or Takemoto.
Some like them, others will admit they downright hate them.
Basically, looking for 'lolita idols' is difficult, mainly due to the fact that since there IS no 'leader' in the fashion, the 'idols' get a lot of mixed feelings.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:21 pm
Not sure if this would be part of the social aspect but I do know that many Japanese Lolita's are very brand loyal. I can say this first hand because I meet a girl at work who was a tourist from Japan. I commented about how nice her dress was and she responded it had to be because it was Baby. I told her I had dresses and she asked what brand. I said none and she laughed in my face. She told me I wouldn't fit to well with other Lolita's in Japan because brand loyalty was big in certain areas. Granted I wanted to punch her in the face but I was actually stunned at hearing that from an authentic Japanese Lolita. Trust me american elitist are a million times nicer than Japanese ones, the american ones atleast don't laugh in my face and tell me I'm not truly Lolita crying . I will always hate that b***h by the name if Kira! scream
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:54 pm
Well, Mana, Kana, Nana (I just love putting their names in a row like that.. xD That would be Nana Kitade, by the way), and Aya all seem to be fairly prominent, Mana and Kana the most so, probably. There isn't an abundance of interviews for either artist, and when they are interviewed, it's on the subject of their music. However, you can discern Mana's view on Lolita (at least Elegant Gothic) by reading the little descriptors on the Moi-meme-Moitie web page. He describes the Elegant Gothic Lolita as sweetness and darkness, an innocent and lovely child, yet cruel, and a pureness akin to an antique doll, but has a poison to her. Elegant Gothic Aristocrat is described as androgeny, neither a dark nor light feeling, neutral in concept, and noble in overall appearance. Kana is just something in herself, I like to think. x3 There was an interview with Nana Kitade in an issue of Shoujo Beat about her fashion. Someone posted scans of it in another guild-- I'm sure she won't mind me linking to them here, so here you are. Page 1Page 2Page 3For some reason, the last page is upside down, so unless you have a super-flex neck, it might be helpful to save it and turn it right side up. ^^
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:45 am
so far my experience with lolitas has been anti-elitist. The lolitas in my area are more likely to hold it against you for buying the clothing rather than making it yourself. No brand loyalty here^^"
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:20 pm
Well...as far as idols...Mana...Nana Kitade...and Kana are good choices. But, let's not forget the ever so adorable Rame and Riku. There are just as many cute BOY lolis than there are GIRLS, so I think you'd have alot of fun trying to explain that these are indeed males.
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