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 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:49 am
Should the age to do these things stay at 21, be moved down to 18 or should there no limit at all?
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:46 am
Over the age of 18, a person is an adult and should not be restricted. Below the age of 18, it is the parent's job to monitor behavior, not the government's.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:48 am
i disagree. i dont think a kid should be able to buy cigarettes. i know they smoke anyway, but adults don't start smoking, kids do. If you're not an idiot, drinking and gambling aren't harmful, but smoking always is.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:04 pm
Libertarian2008 i disagree. i dont think a kid should be able to buy cigarettes. i know they smoke anyway, but adults don't start smoking, kids do. If you're not an idiot, drinking and gambling aren't harmful, but smoking always is. We already know that smoking is harmful. It's common knowledge. And if the law doesn't work to stop kids from starting smoking, what is its point exactly? Just because there's not a law criminalizing a personal unhealthy choice does not necessarily mean that more kids will smoke. The facts are still the facts. Joe Retailer still has the right to post a sign saying that he will refuse the sale of tobacco products to anyone underage. Mom Jenny still has the right to smell smoke on Little Billy and stop his allowance/make him quit his job/otherwise keep him from having money and freedom to buy tobacco, Uncle Pete still has the right to catch Sweet June smoking behind the woodshed and make her eat cigarettes 'til she pukes. I do not want the bureaucrats babysitting my kids. That's my job, and I'm quite bright enough to do it on my own, thank you very much.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:33 pm
Libertarian2008 i disagree. i dont think a kid should be able to buy cigarettes. i know they smoke anyway, but adults don't start smoking, kids do. If you're not an idiot, drinking and gambling aren't harmful, but smoking always is. Well, I'm 18 and I smoke a cigar every once in a while, and I didn't smoke anything untill I turned 18. Legally, someone is an adult when they turn 18. So I guess I'm an exception to your idea that adults don't start.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:40 pm
Decimal Libertarian2008 i disagree. i dont think a kid should be able to buy cigarettes. i know they smoke anyway, but adults don't start smoking, kids do. If you're not an idiot, drinking and gambling aren't harmful, but smoking always is. We already know that smoking is harmful. It's common knowledge. And if the law doesn't work to stop kids from starting smoking, what is its point exactly? Just because there's not a law criminalizing a personal unhealthy choice does not necessarily mean that more kids will smoke. The facts are still the facts. Joe Retailer still has the right to post a sign saying that he will refuse the sale of tobacco products to anyone underage. Mom Jenny still has the right to smell smoke on Little Billy and stop his allowance/make him quit his job/otherwise keep him from having money and freedom to buy tobacco, Uncle Pete still has the right to catch Sweet June smoking behind the woodshed and make her eat cigarettes 'til she pukes. I do not want the bureaucrats babysitting my kids. That's my job, and I'm quite bright enough to do it on my own, thank you very much. Yes, I concur. It should be the parents decision. They should monitor their own kids, and if they don't...oh well, doesn't effect me. To tell you the truth, I honestly don't give a crap that kids are smoking. They are only hurting themselves, and only parents should be able to stop them. Besides, most kids smoke BECAUSE it's illegal for them to smoke. That's what makes it so "cool" . So between forcing the parents to be responsible and taking way the illegal thrill of smoking the number of kids that smoke will decrease.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:56 pm
As for 18 vs. 21, I think everything should be bumped down to 18. Why can you be drafted to a war but still not smoke a cig before you die? It's like you're some kind of sub-adult.
Then age restrictions in general, it would be nicer if we could find some other universal indicator of maturity other then age. I've seen kids that haven't hit puberty that are more mature then some 21 year olds.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:03 pm
in my state you can smopke at 18.
and lol i dont know why i don't think of cigars as smoking, cause i smoke them to aobut every week or so.
some parents let the kids smoke because they don't want to be hippocrates. They don't view it as bad as other drugs. It seems like it should be neglect to allow it, like watching a kid lay face down in a pool.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:42 pm
I miss the classical greek way of thinking that a boy was a man when he could grow a beard, and all the rights and responsibilities of a man were bestowed upon him at that point.
Since we don't all grow beards at the same rate (hello ladies) my next best suggestion would be to give kids all that snappy adult business at 18. Vote, drink, smoke, do drugs, own guns, drive, pee in pools, etc.
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:56 am
Charley I miss the classical greek way of thinking that a boy was a man when he could grow a beard, and all the rights and responsibilities of a man were bestowed upon him at that point. Since we don't all grow beards at the same rate (hello ladies) my next best suggestion would be to give kids all that snappy adult business at 18. Vote, drink, smoke, do drugs, own guns, drive, pee in pools, etc. damn, i've been doing that last one illegally for 13 years
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:59 pm
Sinew As for 18 vs. 21, I think everything should be bumped down to 18. Why can you be drafted to a war but still not smoke a cig before you die? It's like you're some kind of sub-adult. Then age restrictions in general, it would be nicer if we could find some other universal indicator of maturity other then age. I've seen kids that haven't hit puberty that are more mature then some 21 year olds. Yeah, that sub-adult crap is bullshit.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:01 am
VashZero5 Sinew As for 18 vs. 21, I think everything should be bumped down to 18. Why can you be drafted to a war but still not smoke a cig before you die? It's like you're some kind of sub-adult. Then age restrictions in general, it would be nicer if we could find some other universal indicator of maturity other then age. I've seen kids that haven't hit puberty that are more mature then some 21 year olds. Yeah, that sub-adult crap is bullshit. let's wrestle bears.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:03 pm
Libertarian2008 VashZero5 Sinew As for 18 vs. 21, I think everything should be bumped down to 18. Why can you be drafted to a war but still not smoke a cig before you die? It's like you're some kind of sub-adult. Then age restrictions in general, it would be nicer if we could find some other universal indicator of maturity other then age. I've seen kids that haven't hit puberty that are more mature then some 21 year olds. Yeah, that sub-adult crap is bullshit. let's wrestle bears.
TEE HEEahem...Anyway, I think that maturity is lacking in American society nowadays, and has been for a while. People need to realize that the problem isn't how low the age restriction is, but it's how people are expected to deal with the substances. Using alcohol as an example, it's practically expected for young drinkers to get completely wasted when they drink. In several European countries, they drinking age is much lower (and even then, frequently disregarded) and people learn to handle alcohol properly. Actually, I just like the idea that we should lower the drinking age below the driving age, so that way all the potential alcoholics drink themselves to death before they have the chance to run someone down with a car.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:32 pm
The minimum age for military service should be the minimum age for all things government regulated, period. I find it shameful that someone can sign their life away to the military, but not put back a beer at the pub.
The minimum age for military service should be the minimum voting age, and the minimum voting age should be the standard for everything else. Any other setup is inconsistent.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:25 pm
i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age.
I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school
i know, kids drink anyway
i know, you can kick those kids out
problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking.
if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die.
If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed
if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk)
etc. etc. etc.
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