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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 12:36 am
I was wondering if anyone else got this thrown at them like I do soo many times.
'If you dont eat animals because they are living then why do you eat plants because they are also living and feel pain as well.'
I guess they have a point and I see what they are getting at but even thou they say this and it is wrong I just want too know if anyone else got this also thrown into their face about their eating habits.
I also found this on a web site.
'Plants feel too. This statement is often made by people trying to rationalize that since plants feel pain, it must be okay to kill animals. They usually never make the similar leap of saying that since plants feel pain it must be okay to kill humans.
For plants to feel physical pain, they must have some sort of organized tissue which, upon stimulation, would activate a structure in the plant that is conscious and could perceive the stimulation as painful. There are no structures within plants that are analogs to the pain receptors, neurons, and pain-perceiving portions of the brains of vertebrate animals. Animals, being mobile, benefit from their ability to sense pain; but plants simply have no biological or evolutionary need for the experience of pain. Even if, contrary to all evidence, plants did feel pain, it would still be preferable to be vegan. More plants are killed in non-vegan diets, as more plants must be harvested to feed animals.'
I guess what Iam asking is what do you say too people who say your killing plants.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 12:48 am
If someone throws "plant-killer" your way, there's usually no point in talking to them because they're probably not going to listen to reason. They say plants feel pain, you say they don't - that leads nowhere. You'd have to carry some type of literature on you at all times supporting your claim, and even then they probably wouldn't care.
Plants do not feel pain, as the quote you found explained; they do not have brains or a nervous system. They are not capable of feeling pain, but they are alive.
People who call vegetarians plant-killers are remiss, as the animals omnivores eat kill plants - it kills more plants to raise livestock than it does to nourish humans directly. Vegetarians are killing plants, but omnivores are killing many more plants and are abusing animals.
I've only had someone throw plant-killer at me once, and it ended very badly. I don't have any advice on how to deal with them. sad
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:57 am
Aww well Thank You for the input any how XD
and Iam sorry that it ended badly the only time that was thrown into your face.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:50 pm
i've heard that plants dont have central nervous systems of nerves endings. are both of these true. whether they are or not, if the person you are arguing with was dumb enough to make this statement, they proabaly wouldn't know the difference anyway.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:51 am
Sporadic_Lyricz i've heard that plants dont have central nervous systems of nerves endings. are both of these true. whether they are or not, if the person you are arguing with was dumb enough to make this statement, they proabaly wouldn't know the difference anyway.
lol that is true XD but they always end up saying that too me and Iam not even one to push being a Veg*n toward them.
So I dont understand Dx
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:16 pm
Anyone who calls me a "plant-killer" is just trying to either aggravate me or see if I have any wits about me; I just assume they are, immaturely put, stupid-heads. whee
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Intergalactic Recalibrator
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:04 pm
Yeah, seriously. None of the arguments for eating meat make any sense, especially that one.
Once when somebody found out I was a vegan, they called me a "murderer" because I "cut flowers." I don't cut my grass or flowers or weed or anything. People are such jerks.
I think it's just a last resort when they don't have any better reasons to eat meat.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:30 pm
Here are other stupid things people throw at us vegetarians and vegans.
"What if…" I were on a desert island, and there was no food at all except for some cows, who apparently had adapted to use photosynthesis in the absence of vegetation? I have no idea what I'd do. Maybe I'd start using photosynthesis myself. Hey, it's a hypothetical situation - anything can happen! But I wouldn't blame someone for killing and eating the cows in a survival situation. The point is that we are not in survival situations here. "But if we didn't eat animals, they'd over-run the earth!" Actually, if we didn't eat animals, we'd stop breeding them! We get meat mainly from "farmed" animals who have been "raised" by humans, not from the wild. If we didn't eat animals, it wouldn't be profitable to raise them. "Factory farmers" would decrease the number of animals born, not release them to the surrounding area.
"Oh, come on, just a little won't hurt you!" No, it wouldn't hurt me, but I've made a commitment to vegetarianism as a way of not hurting the animals.
[for vegans] "No, no, no. You just don't get it! There's no baby chicken inside the egg!" The point of not eating eggs isn't because there could have been a chicken inside - it's a way of not supporting the farms where chickens lay the eggs. Often the "layer hens" kept to produce eggs are in absolutely terrible conditions, and not eating eggs decreases the demand for them.
[for vegans] "It doesn't hurt the cow to milk her!" or "But the cow would explode if we didn't drink the milk!" I don't drink milk because I don't want to support the dairy industry, where cows are often in horrible conditions. Not buying milk decreases the demand for it and sends a message to the dairy industry to decrease production by decreasing the number of calves born and kept for milking. They're not going to say "Hey, less demand for milk! Let's just stop milking Betsy there!"
Resourse: http://www.vegetarianteen.com/articles/commonquestions.shtml
People are just getting plain stupid. They try everything they can to make you submit.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:27 pm
Pandemonium Panda "What if…"I were on a desert island, and there was no food at all except for some cows, who apparently had adapted to use photosynthesis in the absence of vegetation? I have no idea what I'd do. Maybe I'd start using photosynthesis myself. Hey, it's a hypothetical situation - anything can happen! But I wouldn't blame someone for killing and eating the cows in a survival situation. The point is that we are not in survival situations here. rofl
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:14 pm
Pandemonium Panda Here are other stupid things people throw at us vegetarians and vegans. "What if…"I were on a desert island, and there was no food at all except for some cows, who apparently had adapted to use photosynthesis in the absence of vegetation? I have no idea what I'd do. Maybe I'd start using photosynthesis myself. Hey, it's a hypothetical situation - anything can happen! But I wouldn't blame someone for killing and eating the cows in a survival situation. The point is that we are not in survival situations here. "But if we didn't eat animals, they'd over-run the earth!"Actually, if we didn't eat animals, we'd stop breeding them! We get meat mainly from "farmed" animals who have been "raised" by humans, not from the wild. If we didn't eat animals, it wouldn't be profitable to raise them. "Factory farmers" would decrease the number of animals born, not release them to the surrounding area. "Oh, come on, just a little won't hurt you!"No, it wouldn't hurt me, but I've made a commitment to vegetarianism as a way of not hurting the animals. [for vegans] "No, no, no. You just don't get it! There's no baby chicken inside the egg!" The point of not eating eggs isn't because there could have been a chicken inside - it's a way of not supporting the farms where chickens lay the eggs. Often the "layer hens" kept to produce eggs are in absolutely terrible conditions, and not eating eggs decreases the demand for them. [for vegans] "It doesn't hurt the cow to milk her!" or "But the cow would explode if we didn't drink the milk!" I don't drink milk because I don't want to support the dairy industry, where cows are often in horrible conditions. Not buying milk decreases the demand for it and sends a message to the dairy industry to decrease production by decreasing the number of calves born and kept for milking. They're not going to say "Hey, less demand for milk! Let's just stop milking Betsy there!" Resourse: http://www.vegetarianteen.com/articles/commonquestions.shtmlPeople are just getting plain stupid. They try everything they can to make you submit. Thank you so so so much for posting this. People always, and I mean -always-, try to bring up 'What if'. Same with the 'deserted island' crap. We are not in those situations, so we don't have to worry.
-Abrasion
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:35 pm
I don't think plants have any nervous systems, that argument is a fallacy, or flaw in a debate.
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:09 pm
How can you buff the remark of...
"What are you TRYING to do, be anorexic?"
I truly HATE this comment... any advice?
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:28 pm
The dinosaurs are returning... When people say things like "plant killer" where I live they're usually just being sarcastic, and usually trying to poke fun at how idiotic it would be to actually agree with the idea.
When I tell people that they should go veg around here they usually say "that's too hard, I couldn't do it" or only turn it down because of how much they value their disgusting stereotypical masculinity.
...and they want their oil back.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:48 pm
Nadira How can you buff the remark of... "What are you TRYING to do, be anorexic?" I truly HATE this comment... any advice? i don't know what to say for real-life situations when people say this, but if it's online, then direct them to websites about vegan bodybuilders. wink
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:52 pm
Yeah, I view it pretty much the same as you. I have gotten into debates that question if humans are animals or not. Scientifically, yes, though we have different standards and such. Animals are killed if they are deemed a threat to people, let alone if they hurt/kill anyone. For humans, this is normal, we can eat them, we can kill them, whatever. This is how it is. But then, if you consider humans animals in a moral sense, why can I not go down to my local grocery and get a human thigh to put on the barbeque? This is pretty much the same with plants, though they are not viewed to such an extreme. There is the argument that they do not have brains, let alone nerves, and cannot feel pain, and yet they can die. It all depends on the person. I would merely say that as plants are not of the same kingdom, they are not the same type of a living organism as an animal, however, they still deserve respect.
Sorry if I rambled on a bit or didn't make sense at times, doing many things at once and this was written at different times.
D:
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