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 Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:30 am
What does anyone think about stem cell research? Are you for or against it?
If you don't know what it is then it's the cutting off of the blastemous age of a baby before it becomes an embryo and the scientists take the cells and use it to help cure people who are sick. So technically it's like killing babies to save sick people who might have cancer and other diseases. For me, I am against stem cell research because the person whom was sick has had a period of time to experience life but this soon to be baby didn't have a chance. It's a little similar to abortion. God wouldn't like something that he created to be destroyed. Plus, to let you know some of your taxes may go to stem cell research. I just want your opinion on this topic, if you are either for or against stem cell research and please present a brief explanation why.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:08 am
That is another tough subject. There are ways to use embryos that will never come into existence otherwise and much good can come from it, but at the same time life is sacred so harvesting such embryos has to be immoral. I don't know what exactly is right, but I would have to lean towards abandoning stem cell research. I don't want to be part of something that involve us playing God.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:36 pm
I think the basis of my decision would be that I am not totally against playing God (after all I play the sims and black & white). I think it is interesting research that can greatly influence our sciences... 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:19 pm
I think I am against it because I am against abortion and we shouldn't have babies just to use them as science experiments.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:21 pm
drena_vadess40 I think I am against it because I am against abortion and we shouldn't have babies just to use them as science experiments. Amen
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:46 pm
Stem cell embryos are harvested at a time when they are comprised of a little eight-cell ball. It has no thought, no feelings. It cannot feel pain. It is not self-aware. It has no soul. Using this bundle of eight cells to further science and increase the lives of countless thousands is a very noble cause.
Saying that we shouldn't "play God" is downright silly. We play God every single day. When we go to school to learn more, when we invent some new mechanical thing, when we prescribe medication or attempt to cure a disease, we play God, and there's no escaping that fact. Ever since Eve bit the apple, we haved played God and it's foolish of us to say that we should "play LESS like God", when that will do nothing except make us as a species less intelligent, far more impulsive, and DEFINITELY shorter-lived.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:54 pm
That is a really tough subject... and I have to say that the answer is with God... We don't know his views and it is easy to allow ourselves to fall into a sobbing "Oh the poor babies," or a defensive, "It is for the good of humanity." I don't have the answer... and neither do you.
A simple example:
Tomorrow, a huge case of the Flu breaks out and quickly covers the world... Doctors are watching patients die left and right and there is nothing anyone can do. The virus has mutated beyond the antibiotics of today, but a local medical research institute has found a way to create a cure. The only thing they need is a single person that has a natural immunity to the virus.
A few days later a father takes his family in to see their doctor at the local hospital. He and his family are no exception and have fallen pray to the virus. The doctor examines everyone in the family and is surprised to see that the youngest of the family is in the best health. The dad explains that his condition is improving by the day.
A blood sample is taken and it is discovered that the young boy is immune to the virus. The doctor quickly rushes to the phone and calls the research institute and they fax him a set of papers that he glances over and hands to the father while moving him into his office to explain what the papers are for. "This is amazing we will be able to rid the world of this terrible new strain... all we need is the proper amount of blood to begin research and development of the cure."
The father smiles, his family and friends will be saved along with everyone else in the world, but he is confused... the papers before him are heavy with the details of the operation... as he flips through the pages he begins to realize that these papers were basically a waver allowing the institute to sacrifice his son for the good of the world. As the father thinks the doctor's phone rings... he has lost yet another patient to the flu and more are arriving every second...
What would you do? Would you sign the release forms and sacrifice your son for the greater good? Or would you turn your back on the world and refuse?
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:22 pm
Stem cell research is a little different from that scenario . Basically it would involve harvesting fertilized eggs from women to further the experiments, so it kind of falls along the abortion debate in a way. Which would depend on whether you believe the soul starts at the fertilization, at the point the baby breathes its first breath, or somewhere in between. Because many many anti-abortion supporters believe life starts at fertilization, those same people are totally against stem cell research.
To me, harvesting from human beings cheaps human life dramatically. I'm all for researching for cures, but not at the cost of cheapening human life. It is for this same reason that clone research is also immoral.
As far as playing God, it falls along the same lines of sorcery. Its stuff that God didn't want us doing unless its from Him. We do it anyways and get punished for it in one way or another. I don't think continuing to live in sin is really going to help us in the long run. Sure it seems good now, but later in life(or afterlife) you'll realize how it was wrong and regret it. I'm not sure if harvesting from human beings is something that God intends for us to do. It just doesn't seem right, I would think that would be the Holy Spirit talking.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:25 pm
I know the basics... kinda... but I got an e-mail with that scenario a while ago about something... Either way it popped up in my head and I just wanted to post it and see the reactions... 
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:35 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Stem cell embryos are harvested at a time when they are comprised of a little eight-cell ball. It has no thought, no feelings. It cannot feel pain. It is not self-aware. It has no soul. Using this bundle of eight cells to further science and increase the lives of countless thousands is a very noble cause. Saying that we shouldn't "play God" is downright silly. We play God every single day. When we go to school to learn more, when we invent some new mechanical thing, when we prescribe medication or attempt to cure a disease, we play God, and there's no escaping that fact. Ever since Eve bit the apple, we haved played God and it's foolish of us to say that we should "play LESS like God", when that will do nothing except make us as a species less intelligent, far more impulsive, and DEFINITELY shorter-lived. Just because we play God every day doesn't make it right, just like it doesn't make it right if we only wear clothes that are too revealing just because everyone else is doing it.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:32 pm
drena_vadess40 Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Stem cell embryos are harvested at a time when they are comprised of a little eight-cell ball. It has no thought, no feelings. It cannot feel pain. It is not self-aware. It has no soul. Using this bundle of eight cells to further science and increase the lives of countless thousands is a very noble cause. Saying that we shouldn't "play God" is downright silly. We play God every single day. When we go to school to learn more, when we invent some new mechanical thing, when we prescribe medication or attempt to cure a disease, we play God, and there's no escaping that fact. Ever since Eve bit the apple, we haved played God and it's foolish of us to say that we should "play LESS like God", when that will do nothing except make us as a species less intelligent, far more impulsive, and DEFINITELY shorter-lived. Just because we play God every day doesn't make it right, just like it doesn't make it right if we only wear clothes that are too revealing just because everyone else is doing it. Would you prefer we go back to the dark ages, with no medication or viable forms of government, or advanced technology? No? Then who are YOU to draw the line at where playing God becomes "bad"?
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:41 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori drena_vadess40 Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Stem cell embryos are harvested at a time when they are comprised of a little eight-cell ball. It has no thought, no feelings. It cannot feel pain. It is not self-aware. It has no soul. Using this bundle of eight cells to further science and increase the lives of countless thousands is a very noble cause. Saying that we shouldn't "play God" is downright silly. We play God every single day. When we go to school to learn more, when we invent some new mechanical thing, when we prescribe medication or attempt to cure a disease, we play God, and there's no escaping that fact. Ever since Eve bit the apple, we haved played God and it's foolish of us to say that we should "play LESS like God", when that will do nothing except make us as a species less intelligent, far more impulsive, and DEFINITELY shorter-lived. Just because we play God every day doesn't make it right, just like it doesn't make it right if we only wear clothes that are too revealing just because everyone else is doing it. Would you prefer we go back to the dark ages, with no medication or viable forms of government, or advanced technology? No? Then who are YOU to draw the line at where playing God becomes "bad"? So basically your saying you can say how far it can go, but they can't say how far it can't go. Wow.... The thought I can understand, the feeling I can understand, but the idea it can't feel pain nore has no soul isn't a fact. Why, because you can't prove it. Why can't you prove it? Because it's like comparing it to a cockroach. It has no feelings, just instinct, it has no thought, just instinct, and hell I go and say it has no soul either, but how do I know it still feels pain. How do I know it simply is just trying to stay alive. Embryos can't make struggle, can't react, and can't do much for that matter, but how do we know it dosn't feel pain. And for your soul issue, I'll ask you this as a response to that and 'Then who are YOU to draw the line at where playing God becomes "bad"?' Who are you to say when a human starts to have a soul? Do you think that God just stuffs one if after the baby comes out of thw womb? Who knows, babies could be crying from indigestion from having a soul jammed into their body. But then again I don't know this. Do you? Quote: Would you prefer we go back to the dark ages, with no medication or viable forms of government, or advanced technology? Yep I wouldn't go back in time where people can forfeit an adults life anytime they want. But being in modern times where people can forfeit the life of unborn babies is even worse. It's one thing using materials and animals as we need them, pro animal testing I am, but taking unborn, one thing that could have been a human, but thanks to us it can't because we said so, and using it in an experiments that we aren't 100% could benefit mankind is absurd in the least. Hell if they want stem cells so badly then why not use it from adults who died from accidents, murder, or the death penelty? People do die everyday. You can say that we don't have enough adult stem cells to do crazy experiments with. Quote: Ever since Eve bit the apple, we haved played God What? By building shelting, killing animals for food, and killing each other out of defense? Hell by that logic animals are also playing God. A bird building a nest. He's playing God. A bear goaring down fish and destroying bee hives for food. He must be playing God to. Oh and don't forget the mama gators who kill snakes, snappers, and in some cases cougers to protect their young. Hell everyones playing God. Hey God how are we doing? (I hope I don't get smite for this)
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:22 pm
1st of all, there's only 1 option on in your poll, and that's "for." Where's the against option?
I'm against stem cell reserch. Live begins at conception, and as the Bible teaches, murder is wrong. Murder = taking someone's life. With Christian morals, how CAN you be FOR killing pre-born babies? God CREATED them for His perpose, and us idiotic humans are destroying His precious creations.
Furthermore, killing someone's baby wont help cancer patiants. I stand by this. Our governments make money off of sick people. When you get the flu, they give you anti biotics instead of telling you that there's certian teas you can drink that naturally will make you feel better. Why? Anti-biotics cost more, and the government wants our money. If they wanted a cure for cancer, they would have it by now. MAYBE there's a few doctors that wont do this. MAYBE there's a few that will say "I'm going to find a CURE." However, the cold truth is that the gov't wants money and they'll make A LOT more by telling cancer patients to come back once a year for kimo theropy (which causes cancer) then getting rid of the cancer for good.
You wanted my opinion? There you have it:
- Killing pre-born babies for whatever purpose you can think of IS un-christian like; and
- The gov't probably wont help that many people through stem cell research anyways since they just want money.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:52 am
Nowhere in the bible does it say "with fetus." It says "with child." It actually says it 26 times. According to the bible, life begins at conception. Stem cell research and abortion alike kill children. Genesis 16:11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [ Ishmael means God hears . ] for the LORD has heard of your misery. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you [ The Hebrew is plural. ] a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and [ Masoretic Text; Dead Sea Scrolls and he or and they ] will call him Immanuel. [ Immanuel means God with us . ] Isaiah 26:17 As a woman with child and about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, O LORD. Isaiah 26:18 We were with child, we writhed in pain, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth; we have not given birth to people of the world. Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" [ Isaiah 7:14] —which means, "God with us." Luke 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." He did not say that a fetus was shapen in iniquity and conceived in iniquity. David, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that HE was conceived. David, not a blob of tissue, was conceived. I got all of this here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/abortion.html
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:10 pm
Well that seems pretty solid. I'm looking forward to see how someone will respond. Atleast bible wise it shows they are children while being developed. 3nodding Bravo Brad.
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