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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:22 pm
Abortion shouldn't just be for health reasons and rape victims.
Why?
Because women who want safe and legal abortions, but had sex that was NOT rape, would be more compelled to claim rape in order to receive that service.
They may or may not seek punitive or corrective action against a phony female victim on an individual basis. But, the more and more society hears of false accusations of rape, the less that genuine rape victims will be taken seriously eventually, and the more suffering and humiliation that the same genuine rape victims have to go through in order to prove what happened.
If abortion is only extended to rape victims, the consequences are likely to lead to rape victims suffering and being victimized more.
...All because the legal system that restricted women's bodily rights would encourage non-victimized women to take advantage of a legal loophole. I can't really blame a female who has to resort to lying in the case of getting a safe medical abortion, but it still is sickening to think about.
This looks like a slippery argument, but this is an issue I take personally and it feels like a real concern to me. I was victimized, and there's two types of people I hate with a fiery passion. Rapists, and women who lie about rape so that real rape victims have to suffer more in the future to be taken seriously. mad
If you've ever experienced what it is like to be raped, then you wouldn't even question what it feels like to go through the legal system and society with this, you would understand it feels like a second and third and even fourth victimization already- and that is an understatement because I doubt words could express how sickening it really feels. And then the memories and your continued reaction to life, your very future is affected...
If you truly care about protecting genuine rape victims against the phonies, taking away abortion rights for the rest of the population is not the answer. Taking away a rape victim's abortion rights is also not the answer- let's not even go there. Let's just say that the people who DON'T support a rape victim's right to abort is obviously a pro-lifer who hasn't ever been raped.
Pigs will fly before I see a rape victim support taking away other rape victim's rights to abort.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:49 pm
Oh, you underestimate hypocrisy. I'm sure Operation Harrass-Innocent-Women Rescue or National Right To Make-Women-Into-Incubators Life Comittee have a few at their disposal. They have women who regret their abortions saying that their bad experience is a reason to take the right away from other, don't they?
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:35 pm
...?
I don't understand the point of your argument, sorry, I must be having a brain fart this evening.
But I can say this- it's easy to understand why women can come out saying that they regret their abortions.
- They may not have had a comprehensive education on their fertility options, unsure of the decision (probably too influenced by others too). Well, pro-choice is all about giving the female an unbiased education and allowing her to make her decision herself, so you can't blame choicers for this.
- They're Christians after the abortion. Many abortions truly aren't truly regretted deep down inside, the women are INDUCED into guilt because of religious pressure! Fundie Christians created the "post abortion syndrome" "disease", and thus created the monster. Of course, fundie christians will never, ever understand that their creation is an artificial one afterall.
On the other hand... rape victims don't need religious assholes and a book whose best form of logic is circular reasoning (a logical fallacy!) to bully them into feeling guilt and shame, it comes pretty damned naturally. Unlike "post abortion syndrome", post traumatic stress syndrome is actually a real mental diagnosis.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:39 pm
... still, I would take a woman who regretted her abortion more seriously if she was not influenced by outside interests (religious fanatics, fundie religion) that are vested in making her feel bad for it. I'm open minded that this scenario could exist, but... at the same time... pro-choice would prefer it if women were educated, then made a sound decision rather than a flaky one concerning her fertility. We try to eliminate as much needless suffering as possible, not draw it out.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:03 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy Oh, you underestimate hypocrisy. I'm sure Operation Harrass-Innocent-Women Rescue or National Right To Make-Women-Into-Incubators Life Comittee have a few at their disposal. They have women who regret their abortions saying that their bad experience is a reason to take the right away from other, don't they? And don't forget Gianna Jessen, who claims to be the surivor of an illegal abortion and is now working to make all abortion illegal.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:03 am
True.
I mean, take Norma McCorvey (The "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade.) for example. Lifers love to use her as an example because she was a major player in the movement to illegalize abortion, and she switched sides. I don't think she knew what she was doing in the first place! Basically, the lawyers knew she was a young pregnant woman and they asked her if they could use her as a client. She would never have an abortion, she still gave her child up for adoption, and she really didn't seem very involved. She was like a pawn. I don't know why she went into it in the first place.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:37 pm
Scare Tactic Propaganda PhaedraMcSpiffy Oh, you underestimate hypocrisy. I'm sure Operation Harrass-Innocent-Women Rescue or National Right To Make-Women-Into-Incubators Life Comittee have a few at their disposal. They have women who regret their abortions saying that their bad experience is a reason to take the right away from other, don't they? And don't forget Gianna Jessen, who claims to be the surivor of an illegal abortion and is now working to make all abortion illegal. whaa..? eek i've heard of her, but when you put it like that it's, wow. just wow.
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