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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:05 am
I think my favorite comparison right now is that there's no real difference between an unborn fetus and a bloody nose.Quote: Sure, it is your body but the fetus is also part of your body. It has your DNA as well as the DNA of your partner. Therefore, it is a part of you, not just some mass of nothingness.
That skin tissue holds life! It's a part of the child! Blah! /Sarcasm.
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What's one of your favorite debate comparisons at the moment?
No, I'm not being completely rude and asking "What do you like to use most in an argument?", I'm asking "What comparison makes you wonder about pro-life logic, in a funny way?" Like when you read their posts and possibly giggle. xP
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:04 am
Unwanted pregnancy and rape.
Here I would say that both the fetus and rapist are using your body when you don't want it, and that in the rapist's case the only option for separation is to use lethal force (like with the fetus). By the logic lifers (killing is your only option to end a pregnancy, therefore you should just deal), I could easily say that because the rapist is a human ife and lethal force is your only option, you should lie back and take it and don't DARE infringe on HIS rights.
To respond to some of the venom of PMs that Talon recently recieved, you're obviously just going through a minor inconvenience while being raped, while your rapist has his LIFE at stake! Just do the responsible thing and deal! scream
Besides, you can always just wait and report the crime (give it up for adoption) later! Now everyone's happy! Well, except the rapist (baby), but who cares! They're all ALIVE! And there's absolutely no chance of either the baby or rapist coming back to haunt you!
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:07 pm
I can't stand it when people say that abortion is just for "convenience".
I guess the fact that I've never been pregnant in my life is just that damn convenient, or so they make it sound. I really should be pregnant all the time, because to do anything not to be pregnant is just for convenience's sake, right?
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:19 pm
Same here. They make it sound like women who get abortions are just spoiled whiners or something. Or like they take the decision as lightly as what they should have for lunch. It's downright insulting.
What's worse, is that it doesn't even try to hide the real agenda. These people, most of the time, don't care so much about the fetus. They just want that divine retribution. "We can't let women have consensual sex and get away with it!"
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:29 am
That's my main beef as well, Phaedra. I highly doubt women just "OCRAP PREGNANT?!?! ABORSHUN TIMEZ LAWL!!!!11"
And those who give a rape exception do just wanted to punish women for consensual sex. Which is terrible. Where's the guy's punishment?
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:45 pm
i've got to agree with you guys. that and when anti-choicers say "aborshun is irresponsible if you get preggers you should have the kid because that's the responsible thing to do". there's so many things wrong with that statement that i don't even want to begin listing them all. maybe sometime when i'm irritable i'll rant about it in my Gaia journal. =/
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:17 pm
Or, if rape is brought up, they say "You shouldn't punish the baby for the sins of its father!" First of all: It's not that it's a sin that's the problem. It's that it's a violation of another human being's basic rights. Second: Why the hell are you punishing the woman for the torture she's already gone through?! and third, I HATE when they call a rapist the "father."
I also hate when they harrass women. Someone on Myspace got a message from a "pro-life" person that said "How's your dead baby?"
I've also seen a horrible misunderstanding of our trespassing analogy. We say we have a right to kill in self defense for an invasion of bodily domain. One guy asked me "Oh, so it's okay to kill a toddler that you find sleeping on your sofa, too then, because it's trespassing?!" 1. No, dumbass, there are other options that do the same exact thing: remove toddler from property. 2. My couch and my uterus are two very, very different things.
Another analogy I've seen is comparing it to running a stoplight. I don't remember this too wel, but the gist of it was "She broke a law against abortion, she gets a fine."
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:30 am
Mindcandy's latest BD analogy is one that says something along the lines of if he talks to us, he rattles our eardrums and does other things to that part of our body abgainst our will. And because we REALLY don't want to hear him talk, we get to kill him. By our logic, of course.
He REALLY needs to understand the concept of walking away. If I can do that, killing doesn't fly. I can walk away from him. I can put in headphones. I can tune him out. I can tell him to shut the hell up. Because of all that, I can't kill him.
Is that really a hard concept to grasp?
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:34 am
And that he should just stop flattering himself. Hearing him rant like a moron IS agonizingly painful, but nowhere near as bad as forced pregnancy.
Try to tell him:
If your voice bothers us, we can walk away. We can plug our ears.
If someone is trespassing in our homes, we can call the cops and have them taken out.
If someone is trying to rape or kill us, there is often nothing we can do except injure or kill them.
If someone is inside our bodies and needs to feed off of them to live, the only way we can remove them is by killing them.
It sucks, but so does life.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:17 pm
Peppermint Schnapps i've got to agree with you guys. that and when anti-choicers say "aborshun is irresponsible if you get preggers you should have the kid because that's the responsible thing to do". there's so many things wrong with that statement that i don't even want to begin listing them all. maybe sometime when i'm irritable i'll rant about it in my Gaia journal. =/
I was browsing some site and I found this picture of a pro-life rally. There were all these women holding signs saying things like "I regret my abortion!" "Abortion is irresponsible!" and the whole time I was thinking..
Okay... These pro-lifers are saying we are the ones irresponsible.
Yet, they're saying they had abortions they regret? That means that they were too dumb to realize, 'durr, that can be a life changing dicision. They probably didn't even take time to think about abortion in a deep sense. The only thing that ran through their mind was probably "omfg-I r teh preggerz, i must get riddzz of it, lol, wuts aburtioon?" ...Then it probably hit them "OH WAITZorZ! Teh fetus is 'dead'? Nuuuuu!!!" ...So doesn't that irresponsability make them hypocrites?(sp?)
I'd say "Jesus Christ" but I don't believe in taking a dead guy's name in vein.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:30 pm
X.a.p.h.a.n Peppermint Schnapps i've got to agree with you guys. that and when anti-choicers say "aborshun is irresponsible if you get preggers you should have the kid because that's the responsible thing to do". there's so many things wrong with that statement that i don't even want to begin listing them all. maybe sometime when i'm irritable i'll rant about it in my Gaia journal. =/
I was browsing some site and I found this picture of a pro-life rally. There were all these women holding signs saying things like "I regret my abortion!" "Abortion is irresponsible!" and the whole time I was thinking..
Okay... These pro-lifers are saying we are the ones irresponsible.
Yet, they're saying they had abortions they regret? That means that they were too dumb to realize, 'durr, that can be a life changing dicision. They probably didn't even take time to think about abortion in a deep sense. The only thing that ran through their mind was probably "omfg-I r teh preggerz, i must get riddzz of it, lol, wuts aburtioon?" ...Then it probably hit them "OH WAITZorZ! Teh fetus is 'dead'? Nuuuuu!!!" ...So doesn't that irresponsability make them hypocrites?(sp?)
I'd say "Jesus Christ" but I don't believe in taking a dead guy's name in vein.i guess they don't realize that sometimes abortion is the most responsible decision a woman can make. they want irresponsible? a friend of mine (a jobless 18 year old high school drop-out, dropped out when she was in 10th grade) got pregnant after a one night stand with someone (a 28 year old guy, she's 18*) who she wasn't dating**. about 3 or 4 months into the pregnancy, the guy just walks out of his job (not that it was a very good job to begin with). so, neither of them have a job, both are high school drop outs. needless to say, they wind up living with his parents. she has the baby. after she gives birth, the guy and his parents tell her that they don't want her to go back to school or get a job, they just want her to have more babies (that got a big WTF :headdesk: from me). about a week ago (the kid is 3 months old now) the guy dumps her for some stupid reason. pro-lifers want irresponsible? there it is. that's the most ******** irresponsible couple of people i've ever met in my life. now, don't get me wrong, i'm in total support of her having the choice to continue the pregnancy. if she wants to have the baby it's totally up to her and nothing should stop her. however, it was most definitely an irresponsible thing to do. it wouldn't have been so irresponsible had she gone back to school to get an education so she could support her child, or had the guy kept his job and tried to move up to give his family a better life. however, they did the complete opposite. there you have it, irresponsibility at it's best and abortion wasn't even involved. this story is completely true, by the way. *→ i'm not saying their age difference is bad. in fact, the guy in my story is my ex. i'm just pointing out that it's hard to come back from dropping out of high school at age 28. **→ again, usually this tidbit doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but i remember him telling me after it happened that "now he had to live his life with someone he didn't really like let alone love". so, to grow up in a household wherein the parents loathe one another because of you. lovely.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:56 pm
Peppermint Schnapps X.a.p.h.a.n Peppermint Schnapps i've got to agree with you guys. that and when anti-choicers say "aborshun is irresponsible if you get preggers you should have the kid because that's the responsible thing to do". there's so many things wrong with that statement that i don't even want to begin listing them all. maybe sometime when i'm irritable i'll rant about it in my Gaia journal. =/
I was browsing some site and I found this picture of a pro-life rally. There were all these women holding signs saying things like "I regret my abortion!" "Abortion is irresponsible!" and the whole time I was thinking..
Okay... These pro-lifers are saying we are the ones irresponsible.
Yet, they're saying they had abortions they regret? That means that they were too dumb to realize, 'durr, that can be a life changing dicision. They probably didn't even take time to think about abortion in a deep sense. The only thing that ran through their mind was probably "omfg-I r teh preggerz, i must get riddzz of it, lol, wuts aburtioon?" ...Then it probably hit them "OH WAITZorZ! Teh fetus is 'dead'? Nuuuuu!!!" ...So doesn't that irresponsability make them hypocrites?(sp?)
I'd say "Jesus Christ" but I don't believe in taking a dead guy's name in vein.i guess they don't realize that sometimes abortion is the most responsible decision a woman can make. they want irresponsible? a friend of mine (a jobless 18 year old high school drop-out, dropped out when she was in 10th grade) got pregnant after a one night stand with someone (a 28 year old guy, she's 18*) who she wasn't dating**. about 3 or 4 months into the pregnancy, the guy just walks out of his job (not that it was a very good job to begin with). so, neither of them have a job, both are high school drop outs. needless to say, they wind up living with his parents. she has the baby. after she gives birth, the guy and his parents tell her that they don't want her to go back to school or get a job, they just want her to have more babies (that got a big WTF :headdesk: from me). about a week ago (the kid is 3 months old now) the guy dumps her for some stupid reason. pro-lifers want irresponsible? there it is. that's the most ******** irresponsible couple of people i've ever met in my life. now, don't get me wrong, i'm in total support of her having the choice to continue the pregnancy. if she wants to have the baby it's totally up to her and nothing should stop her. however, it was most definitely an irresponsible thing to do. it wouldn't have been so irresponsible had she gone back to school to get an education so she could support her child, or had the guy kept his job and tried to move up to give his family a better life. however, they did the complete opposite. there you have it, irresponsibility at it's best and abortion wasn't even involved. this story is completely true, by the way. *→ i'm not saying their age difference is bad. in fact, the guy in my story is my ex. i'm just pointing out that it's hard to come back from dropping out of high school at age 28. **→ again, usually this tidbit doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but i remember him telling me after it happened that "now he had to live his life with someone he didn't really like let alone love". so, to grow up in a household wherein the parents loathe one another because of you. lovely.
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