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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:03 pm
Hello, I'm BeanDip. I don't know if introductions are allowed, so I only spoke of my name.
Anywho, in this thread, I want to see how close to the meaning of Justice we can get. For example, I give off a meaning of Justice as eye for an eye (not actually what I believe), and you bring up.. oh I dont know... let's say Morality. With this, we can try to discuss how the two can fuse together to make one point of view. Once that is done, another point of view about Justice (if there is another) can rebut against the newly created point of view, thus fuse into a more defined meaning of Justice.
To start off, I believe that Justice has a hint of revenge in it. For example, if my mother were to be murdered, the only way I believe that the murderer would get justice for the crime is if we kill his/her family right before their very eyes.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:27 pm
So, you mean as in the Mosaic laws and Hammurabi's code?
how the two contrast?
Or the etymology?
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In media res Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:46 am
TheAlmightyBeanDip Hello, I'm BeanDip. I don't know if introductions are allowed, so I only spoke of my name. Anywho, in this thread, I want to see how close to the meaning of Justice we can get. For example, I give off a meaning of Justice as eye for an eye (not actually what I believe), and you bring up.. oh I dont know... let's say Morality. With this, we can try to discuss how the two can fuse together to make one point of view. Once that is done, another point of view about Justice (if there is another) can rebut against the newly created point of view, thus fuse into a more defined meaning of Justice. To start off, I believe that Justice has a hint of revenge in it. For example, if my mother were to be murdered, the only way I believe that the murderer would get justice for the crime is if we kill his/her family right before their very eyes. Just to quibble, O BeanDip, "justice" is what you get; the murderer gets "punishment." But anyway ... you're essentially right about the revenge component of justice. If someone wrongs (breaks) the Law, the Law extracts Justice from that person with punisment, be it monetary, as with a fine, or physical, as with imprisonment or in some cases, death. But what is Justice? If someone wrongs me, Justice is whatever makes me whole again. If I am robbed, I should be repaid the value of the property stolen, if the actual property cannot be returned. If I am injured ... well, that's where things get sticky. If my injuries are such that I make a full recovery, then I suppose monetary compensation should be due me to pay for my treatment, at the very least, plus perhaps some compensation for lost wages. If I lose a limb or an eye, monetary compensation can't restore those. The "eye for an eye" principle would have my assailant losing the corresponding body part, but that doesn't really satisfy me (well, it does on a visceral level, I suppose) or make me whole again. So, what is Justice in that case? I don't know. Luckily, I've never been faced with the question. I'll have to think and come back to it.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:10 pm
DeeFarnham TheAlmightyBeanDip Hello, I'm BeanDip. I don't know if introductions are allowed, so I only spoke of my name. Anywho, in this thread, I want to see how close to the meaning of Justice we can get. For example, I give off a meaning of Justice as eye for an eye (not actually what I believe), and you bring up.. oh I dont know... let's say Morality. With this, we can try to discuss how the two can fuse together to make one point of view. Once that is done, another point of view about Justice (if there is another) can rebut against the newly created point of view, thus fuse into a more defined meaning of Justice. To start off, I believe that Justice has a hint of revenge in it. For example, if my mother were to be murdered, the only way I believe that the murderer would get justice for the crime is if we kill his/her family right before their very eyes. Just to quibble, O BeanDip, "justice" is what you get; the murderer gets "punishment." But anyway ... you're essentially right about the revenge component of justice. If someone wrongs (breaks) the Law, the Law extracts Justice from that person with punisment, be it monetary, as with a fine, or physical, as with imprisonment or in some cases, death. Yea, something like that. Maybe Hammurabi's Code but multiplied by X amount of times. For example, you chop off my hand, I chop off your hand, your foot, your snausage, your nose, ect. all at once. But what is Justice? If someone wrongs me, Justice is whatever makes me whole again. If I am robbed, I should be repaid the value of the property stolen, if the actual property cannot be returned. If I am injured ... well, that's where things get sticky. If my injuries are such that I make a full recovery, then I suppose monetary compensation should be due me to pay for my treatment, at the very least, plus perhaps some compensation for lost wages. If I lose a limb or an eye, monetary compensation can't restore those. The "eye for an eye" principle would have my assailant losing the corresponding body part, but that doesn't really satisfy me (well, it does on a visceral level, I suppose) or make me whole again. So, what is Justice in that case? I don't know. Luckily, I've never been faced with the question. I'll have to think and come back to it. Heh, that's the point of the thread; Figuring out what Justice is. Anywho, what you say is true. Justice should repay back what you have lost or give you what makes you whole again.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:12 pm
Ariadnae So, you mean as in the Mosaic laws and Hammurabi's code? how the two contrast? Or the etymology? What I mean is to get both Mosaic Laws and Hammurabi's Code, rearrange their meanings so that way they could "co-exist" with each other, and make a more defined definition of Justice through the process.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:35 am
If Justice is "what makes you whole again" then perhaps we need to examine the nature of crime. For instance, it is a violation of the law for a starving man to steal a loaf of bread to keep from dying, but is that a crime?
Hmm ... maybe that's not the way, I don't know. I need to do some programming, back later.
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