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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:16 pm
I have seen on the news and on the new show 2057 and other things about a thing called a space elevator coming out in around the year 2010. I did some study on it and found some interesting articles. Wikipedia I also thought explained it well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevatorhttp://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_020327-1.html This is where NASA tested it on a small scale:http://www.elevator2010.org/Here is a Picture NASA made that describes it.  Do you think that an elevator could actually protect the people riding it? That is my biggest doubt about this project is the safety aspect of it. Do you agree?
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:22 pm
En elevator is not a simple stuff to make.
The cable must be into a very solid and unbreakable material. We can certainly construct a very concentrated material, with all our nanotechnology progress, but it's not easy. And there is also a problem. Is this so simple a drop the cable from a satellite? and the power of the lift is not to neglect. But if an elevator is made, it will really be very easy to lift persons or material from the Earth to a station! No need anymore of habited shuttles, the ship can be sticked to the space station and so there's no need of tons of fuel for unland from the Earth, and no need to have a few millions of budget! But I think that if an elevator project should be made, it will not be until 2015-2020. We need still to make a lot of progress in the research!
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:03 am
I agree with TiramiZu, though I am concerned governing the fact that the air currents in the stratosphere would shred apart the elevator. However, it does sound intriguing. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:52 pm
The materials needed to build such a structure are still very much in their infancy. Carbon nanotubes or other such molecular structures would work, but so far only very small amounts have been manufactured in labs. In my opinion, the idea is sound, and would indeed provide a cheap method of moving payloads into orbit. However, I see two big problems.
One: Logistics. Such a structure could not be built up from the ground. Physics dictates that the structure must be in a perfect equilibrium at all times. The Geostation would have to be constructed in geostationary orbit and the tower contructed down to the surface while the counterbalance shaft is contructed outwards. This means that all the construction materials will need to be ferried into space by conventional means - ie. rockets. Also, the material used to build such a structure would need to have immense tensile strength. Materials with high tensile strength often do not have much compression strength. This means that the base of the tower would not be able to be built much higher than a modern office building. So the tower would have to be built downwards a long, long way.
Two: Cost. This is the big one. Sure, once it was up and running it would be cheap to run, compared to present day rockets. But how many thousands of years of operation would it take to pay for the cost of its own construction, including all those thousands and thousands of rocket trips to ferry the raw materials into space.
Like I said, its a cool idea. But 2015? Or even 2020? No way. If it ever gets built it will be a very long way off.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:26 am
You forget a point. Moon base is possible on 2020. I give only 20 years more for the possibility of a space elevators. Because the moon is less gravity, and because we can make progress on founding a new technology to land up from earth without a ton of fuel.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:54 am
Possible with out a doubt but we're talking a long way away. It would be very difficult with all the variables that would change everyday, even if they could be suppressed will would still have to find a way to punch our way back through the atmosphere. the final problem that i can see is space weather if it went to a moon base ((or a shuttle near because of the moons orbit)) it would have to withstand solar flares and all the rest if the problems that space has.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:42 am
Miss TiramiZu You forget a point. Moon base is possible on 2020. I give only 20 years more for the possibility of a space elevators. Because the moon is less gravity, and because we can make progress on founding a new technology to land up from earth without a ton of fuel. Sure, I would agree with you that this tower could be possible within 20 years, I just don't think it's very probable. A moon base has been possible for thirty years, but has never been built because of the absolutely massive cost of such a project and the relatively small possible financial returns. Ferrying raw materials from the moon to Earth's geostationary orbit would indeed require less fuel, therefore less cost, than shipping them up from Earth's surface, but this assumes that the raw materials needed to build the tower (like massive amounts of carbon for instance) are actually available on the moon. Von Newman machines (machines that can de-construct molecules and rebuild them into new materials - otherwise called Santa Claus machines) are still very much in the realm of science fiction. Moon base postulators in the sixties and seventies considered these machines to be essential for a permanent moon base to exist, to provide basic necessities such as water, oxygen, metals, plastics and fuels. 20 years sounds like a long time, like anything could happen in that time. But do you realise that it has been almost 40 years since the first moon landing and we are no closer to a moon base than we were then? We use basically the same technology to launch satellites into orbit today that we used then. Sure, modern rockets are (generally) more reliable than those used in the sixties, but the process of (chemical fuel + oxydiser + spark = explosive thrust) has yet to be improved upon.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:44 am
"The journey would take [x] months and passengers could be struck by meteroids." I forgot how many months it would take sweatdrop but this was on the Discovery channel advertising Space Week on the Science Channel.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:25 pm
sun_charm Do you think that an elevator could actually protect the people riding it? No less easily than a rocket.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:01 pm
yes its possible its gonna be wide a** Texas to make it stable but its worth it look at it as the next step for outer space homes and stuff if its done imagine the possibilities of outer space creation if its done and works it will open a whole new door to outer constructs
when it comes to safety nasa will have to work extra hard.
but the passenger will be safe dot worry about that. All nasa has to do is keep a eye on the outer space limits and the passenger will be safe. the only thing that could actually be harmful is solar flares and radioactive materials which are microscopic and can penetrate any moder steel. thats my only concern
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:35 pm
I think a space elevater would be super cool, as soon as we have the technology to make strong enough cables and such, i dont think we will be able to get it done by 2010, however, like i said before, that would be extremely cool. i think it will be worth the wait if we can even make it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:55 pm
I don't see it being feasible from the planet's surface. (Just look at New Orleans after katrina!) There is no place on this planet where such a structure would be safe from climactic occurrences. Perhaps from a space station or even the moon to elsewhere, but not from the surface of Earth.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:43 pm
There are so many ways the elevator could be destroyed, it just doesn't seem plausible. Currents, Pressure, Heat, and debri are all possible situations. Plus the materials would have to be flawless.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:31 pm
Yeah, one of my Science olympiad coaches told me about this...except he described it as "giant cable" being kept in space by the centripital force caused by by the rotation of the earth. Well, something along those lines. I imagine it would work if the cable was routed under neath the ground and it it then spread out and resurfaced at multiple points, then each strand went back underneath the ground....you would need a very strong Rock layer however, and it can't be anywhere near a seismically active area. Plus the material can't be capable of conudcting Electricity, a lightning strike would be bad.....As for Getting it up there, well buid the Base, Build the Cable, then attach the end of the cable to a rocket and there you go.....but it's probably more complex than that...Oh well, that's just my little tidbit on it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:44 pm
Sun Charm I have seen on the news and on the new show 2057 and other things about a thing called a space elevator coming out in around the year 2010. I did some study on it and found some interesting articles. Wikipedia I also thought explained it well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevatorhttp://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_020327-1.html This is where NASA tested it on a small scale:http://www.elevator2010.org/Here is a Picture NASA made that describes it.  Do you think that an elevator could actually protect the people riding it? That is my biggest doubt about this project is the safety aspect of it. Do you agree? I was studying this with my Teachers, and they are going to make it but I dont think it will let us go up on it... onnly astronauts...
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