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 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:52 pm
I'm adopted.
So, for me, it gets a "little personal".
Abortion is not just the most horrible thing a woman could think, but also the most stupid. mad
WHY? Because in a world with a large percent of steril couples and single women, nobody is forcing you to raise that baby, you don't have to. Just give it to someone else. You could do it quietly and nobody will notice it. exclaim
There are a lot of organizations that do this, could be national or international, mine was the Chilean adoption fundation. wahmbulance
It's less painfull, less traumatizing and you finish with the sensation of doing the right thing.
Except your baby goes with madonna. 4laugh
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:56 pm
"The adoption system is bad" is never a good excuse to abort. Everyone has a chance at a good life, and everyone has a chance at a "bad" life.
But their fear of a bad life is worth killing for? I'd love to be thier friend. "I was going to give you a pie, but I was afraid it may be too tart. So I'll shoot you in the face instead."
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:09 pm
I think the analogy is better as:
Mike sees a pie and walks towards it.
Jeff quickly takes the pie and throws it into the trash.
Mike: Why did you throw away that pie? I was going to eat it.
Jeff: I was afraid it was going to be tart, so it's better not to risk eating it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:58 pm
anakshamumun It's less painfull, less traumatizing and you finish with the sensation of doing the right thing. Abortion is considerably less painful than giving birth, and less traumatizing in the physical sense. And many women feel they've done the right thing by aborting a pregnancy. Usually it's not just that they don't want to raise a child, but they don't want to be pregnant either. But of course, I don't want to be plus-sized, in the tax bracket I'm in or obligated to drive under the speed limit. Tough s**t, I don't have some god-given right to not be, at the expense of someone else. Since no one's legally forcing anyone to have sex, no one's legally forcing anyone to get pregnant.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:44 pm
I'm just saying, that every human is usefull if you give them the chance. Maybe not for yourself, but maybe for someone else. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:18 pm
if a woman does not want the child all they have to do is drop it off at a hospital, police station, church, or fire hall. that's all. they can still remain completely anonimous.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:25 pm
I agree with you.
I don't like the adoption system. I think it's horrible. But I'd rather live through that then die. If I'd rather do it, that means there must be other people out there who would rather take that chance. Why kill them? It's not a mercy-killing. It's not very pro-choice to decide someone's better off dead than alive.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:16 am
lymelady I agree with you. I don't like the adoption system. I think it's horrible. But I'd rather live through that then die. If I'd rather do it, that means there must be other people out there who would rather take that chance. Why kill them? It's not a mercy-killing. It's not very pro-choice to decide someone's better off dead than alive. Actually that's very pro-choice. Pretty much the definition of pro-choice really.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:48 am
How is it pro-choice to say, "I'm going to deny this human the choice to live his or her life, or end it him/herself?"
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:33 pm
I mean, first of all, it probably didn't occur to them that if they have sex there is a possibility that they can end up pregnant. So I totally agree w/ this topic. I mean, come on. The baby could have a better life if you give it up. DOn't just kill it!!
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:01 am
I can kind of understand their position on this. They think about how it would be like if they lived in the adoption system. However, the thing is, they see it as very bad because they already experienced living with a family, but if you've never experienced that then it's not so bad.
What I don't get are the choicers who use the poor adopbtion system as a reason to keep abortion legal, but then say that if artificially wombs where developed it would be acceptable to ban abortion. It's like saying:
"Abortion should be legal because I think adoption is immoral."
*scientist devolop fully functioning artificial wombs that doesn't solve the adoption problem*
"Oh never mind, ban abortion."
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:46 am
I don't think I've ever heard that. You may be superimposing one of Water's beliefs, or half of it, onto the beliefs of another choicer. But technically, it would make all abortion illegal, as there is an act which protects viable feti. Now, if an artificial womb can carry a fetus from conception, technically by definition, those feti are viable since they can exist outside of their mother without dying.
By this loophole, abortions would be illegal.
You kinda have to laugh when you hear them talking about definitions and legal terms, only to relize that it can screw their side over just as easily with a new ruling or a new discovery. As in- feti become people, abortion is murder. By definition. Because many of them will spout that it's not murder because they aren't people and therefore it can't be illegal and therefore there can be no intent to break a law and therefore it's not murder.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:46 pm
divineseraph Because many of them will spout that it's not murder because they aren't people and therefore it can't be illegal and therefore there can be no intent to break a law and therefore it's not murder. Once upon a time, not too long ago, forcibly having sex with your wife wasn't rape. No matter how much you hurt her, no matter how much she objected. That was Not Rape, just as abortion is Not Murder. If it isn't illegal, it must be okay, AMIRITE?
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