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robo_kitty

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:50 pm


Cure_of_life
I just thought i'd like to write something and i'm sure some of you have had the same thing happen before.


Okay, so here it goes. Do you guys remember this picture?
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This is the picture I posted earlier today, or last night.. As you can see i'm wearing full dragon with a party hat.. Now.. That's some great stuff.. It wasn't on a private server, and it wasn't bought with real money! The thing is, my friend had alot of money when he quit and he had played since 2001, like I did. So he quit, and gave me some money.. I bought the things in this picture with the money.. And what happened? Two days went by.. I didn't do anything but walk around runescape with my friends, train a little, and quest a little.. And then boom.. Today it hits.. I lose connection, I try to log back in.. I get this: "Your account has been disabled, check your message center for more details." So what do I do? I check my message center...

..Upon checking my message center I get these:

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What is this legacy punishment? I'll never know! However, I do know one thing.. I never got it. I know this for sure! But as you can see it also says rule 12 was broken. Now, we all know what rule twelve is, and if you don't i'll tell you. Rule twelve has to do with real world trading and it specifies "Exchanging RuneScape items for items or other benefits in other online games, real-life money or other real-life benefits is not allowed." Now, this is not the case here. As I said, I did none of those things. I got this money FAIR AND SQUARE.. A friend gave it to me when he quit the game, as I said earlier.. Now when he quit he handed me approximately 400 million gold. Some may assume this HAD to be bought or stolen. But it wasn't, I know and trust my friend he is a good friend in real life I had known for most of my life! He told me he had received this money from selling his blue party hat the previous day. So three days later, here I am writing this.

Now, to get to some of things I am angry about.. The first of which is Any time you get a trade from someone for free with over fifty million gold, Jagex automatically ASSUMES that this gold was bought using real world money. So this is what I was banned for, breaking rule twelve when in reality I did no such thing. I've been playing as of this month SIX YEARS. Over these six years, I have had things similar to this happen to me. I have lost several accounts due to false accusations. Jagex needs to get it through their thick skulls that any time someone receives money, it isn't from paying real money! And if you read their rules fully, they basically say that if they think you're doing something wrong, they can do whatever they want. Specifically, in this case ban you. This is unfair, very unfair.. I am a very good member of the runescape community and may be one of their oldest players!(When I say oldest I mean long term player, not age.)

And so jagex decides to take everything away from me and my friend. Everything my friend kept and did HARD WORK hours days weeks and months to get, they took it away! I feel this is unfair. I have appealed the ban and I highly doubt that it will be unbanned. The second thing that is wrong is their customer support does a bad job.. Complaints will do NOTHING! I've sent many complaints in, and jagex around a year or two ago had NO way to reach them. Every time I have been ********, there was NO way to appeal it! NO way to contact them! NOTHING. The account that was banned I made in 2003, and that's a long time ago. I worked so hard for it, every time they take it away! They took all of it away! This is a FALSE accusation and I want to be justified. And you can't sue them, I believe that they NEED to be sued because they don't do ANYTHING. Taking away your account you've have for four years because you just got one-hundred million gold from a friend without giving him anything anything is BULLSHIT.. And I won't stand for it, not anymore. I am quitting their game that I have played for so long. I am going to post this everywhere, I am even going to send a copy of this to postie pete. Ha, I wonder what would happen. It would NEVER be published. And btw, because they don't have an E-mail to send a message about this too, they have a 300 letter box to write in for your appeal. . . Wow, I just can't explain this in THREE HUNDRED WORDS!!! Jagex is a greedy company, their greed I have put up for too long and I won't deal with it ANY LONGER.

My conclusion is, that all of you who are members should stop playing this game, quit funding their greed because they WILL take what you worked so hard for.. And I don't mean for this to sound so emo but it's pretty ******** when you play for six years and you get this. I wish you could sue them.

..Oh yes, and the proof I received from Jagex:


Offence Type: Breaking Rule 12 Offence Date: 28-Apr-2007
Evidence for this offence:
This account has been banned because of Real World Trading.

We have evidence to prove that you have purchased gold in-game using real-lif
e money.

You have been deemed to be in complete control at the time of the incident.


I love the way they give such great evidence that I was trading cash for gold.



End note - This wasn't made by me, it's something I saw in another guild.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:08 pm


This person is obviously abit peeved, but JAGEX has good reason to do so - how often would a friend give you 500mil? A friend of mine quit with a few mil, and rather then giving it to another newbish friend he just dropped it for the nearest lucky user to find.

The point is, if someone GIVES more then 50mil, it will be for personal gain more then 99% of the time. Sad to say - we people are simply not that nice for such an act of charity to NOT be so rare.

It seems to me like this person probably did not recieve free gold like that, you must remember EVERYTHING put up here on gaia is biased in that it is the authors presentation of the events. Say for instance he bought his friend a dinner at KFC too which the friend said "hey thanks man, ya know what, I'll give you my gold for this instead of paying you back". This may or may not have been the case, but this is STILL breaking the rules.

It is nearly impossible to know if his friend recieves anything out of this - sureley his friend will ofcourse be his new favourite person, and ofcourse events that take place in advantage to this retired friend could most probably easily be argued as a direct result of this gold.

My point is, trading gold for ANYTHING that is not with in runescape is not allowed. Wether you bought 1bil for 2$ or 1mil for 20$, it is an unfair advantage to the other players.

You have to admit - it is pretty suspicious isn't it? JAGEX are looking at their screens, and all of a suddden their average user is pushed up into the rich list by a free donation of OVER 100 MIL.

If I was them, I would ban him. It is just too suspicious to NOT do anything about it. Perhaps previous actions or what he DID with the money may have even been a direct result - who can tell?

On a final note, I would like to point out that if his friend was under watch for trading in the same matter, no matter what they would msot defeneitly ban him, no questions asked.

s1lv3rbull3t
Vice Captain


robo_kitty

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:29 am


Yes, I do see your point, but WHAT IF none of the past bannings were done with anythign to do with gold-related stuffs, and he had infact, gotten all of that money from a freind quitting. then is jagex wrongfully doing that? I think so, under the circumstances that he gave, I say that he shoudn't be banned, the trut I will never know behind the story. but I do know jagex isn't always fair, I had pointed out a mods mistake on the fourms once, and they gave me a black mark, THAT is completely unfair in my oppionin, I got extremly pissed, went on a rant, and said somethings I shouldn't have, that's what got me banned, but mind you, that was afterwards they gave me the black mark for proveing him wrong. so I can sorta see, how he was banned under false pretences. I wouldn't put it past jagex.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:13 pm


we must also ask ourselves this: is he gaining an unfair advantage over other people?

Should it really be fair for a guy to gain 500mil without any work simply because he knows a guy who does not value it as much?

This could easily be identified as an unfair advantage by others, and this is what the majority of the rules try and restrict.

s1lv3rbull3t
Vice Captain


DragonRissa
Captain

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:02 pm


As always with these awkward debates, I'm hanging somewhere in the middle.

I DON'T think it's fair that this guy got banned just for receiving money. If that was me, and I got banned because one of my rl friends gave me a large sum of cash, I'd be pissed as hell. I'd probably take a similar line as whatever-the-guys-name-is.

However, I DO know that there are a lot of shifty people in RuneScape. Several sites you go to have advertisements for RuneScape gold. Besides, how much information does Jagex get about these cases? Kaleb, I'm not disagreeing with you. I know that Jagex cat be ********. But isn't that true for every single person who ever lived? Ever?

...

Not including that hobo that lives down the street, he's just weird...
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:54 am


BTW, that quote shouldn't say Cure_of_life. It was actually Dr. Psycho's post.

Airazor

Hotheaded Rogue


robo_kitty

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:24 am


I just nabbed it from someone else that posted it, i'm not to worried about who's it s really.

And yes, I know I know, there are alot of shifty people in RuneScape. I wasn't aggreeing with EVERYTHING that was in that post. I just thought it was an interesting subject to discuss, and I just hate jagex. That's another reason.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:46 am


Ouch, that kinda stinks. I'd have a hard time spending that much, as far as I'm concerned Holiday Items should be deleted because the people spend so much on them. Hopefully, no matter what the trades are, the Grand Exchange lies if necessary to just keep moving the prices down so hopefully people have to go back to the old Forums to do business with those to inconvenience them since they're ruining the game by moving around so much money over stupid items that weren't designed to be bought or sold like that.

I guess the lesson from this is instead of accepting that money, convince your friend to stay on a month and use it to buy as many as he can of the following items:

  • Iron Long Swords
  • Iron Set (the parts of it, separate so they can use it)
  • Sets of Iron Arrows (groups divisible by 100 or 150 or something)
  • Full Leather (Cowl, Body, Chaps, Vambraces, Boots)
  • Air Staves
  • Sets of Mind Runes (groups divisible by 100 or 150 or something)
  • Wizard Hats and Robes
  • Anti-Dragon Shields


Then the person can just go and give these out for a few days or a week or something on the first world they logged into (Free Servers specifically) and start off, based on how much money that was, several thousand newb's gaming experience with the experience of receiving rather than being picked on, having supplies they need while they develop their abilities to stand a chance in this crazy world they're getting a fresh start in.

Oh, sorry, did I go off on one of my crazy ideas that would never work? Darn it, hate it when I do that. Well, okay, it would work, but I guess no one who plays likely has both the money and the patience to do all of that. Oh well.

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By the way, might I ask how you determine the orientation of a post? The poll is a bit confusing... question

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