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Kirk Douglas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:48 am


Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:23 am


Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous

In media res
Vice Captain


Kirk Douglas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:56 am


Ariadnae
Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous


Actually my esteemed colleague, the third person was used because it was supposed to be transcribed by someone in Rome, not Caesar himself and for whatever reason it was never done this way.

Caesar was given the Governorship of Gaul because as an ex-consul, he was entitled to a territory for one year. (in his case 5 years)

Yes and Caesar killed hella Gauls. (some actually died because he burnt their earth and crops, starving them)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:07 am


Kirk Douglas
Ariadnae
Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous


Actually my esteemed colleague, the third person was used because it was supposed to be transcribed by someone in Rome, not Caesar himself and for whatever reason it was never done this way.

Caesar was given the Governorship of Gaul because as an ex-consul, he was entitled to a territory for one year. (in his case 5 years)

Yes and Caesar killed hella Gauls. (some actually died because he burnt their earth and crops, starving them)

You're the military geek here, not I. We both know how much I actually LOVE Caesar.

In media res
Vice Captain


CTFarnham
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:10 am


Kirk Douglas
Ariadnae
Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous


Actually my esteemed colleague, the third person was used because it was supposed to be transcribed by someone in Rome, not Caesar himself and for whatever reason it was never done this way.

Caesar was given the Governorship of Gaul because as an ex-consul, he was entitled to a territory for one year. (in his case 5 years)

Yes and Caesar killed hella Gauls. (some actually died because he burnt their earth and crops, starving them)

His enemies in the Senate tried to give him the roads and paths of Italy (actually a government office) as his "province" when he completed his year in office as consul, but he managed to get Transalpine Gaul instead.

As I remember it, the whole thing started with the Helvetii deciding to migrate westward out of Switzerland and Caesar marching over to "discuss" it with them. I'll have to go back and reread to see how the whole thing got out of hand and the defensive move against the Helvetii became an outright conquest. I don't necessarily blame Caesar for either the conquest or his methods, that was how things were done back then. And anyway, the Gauls sacked Rome in 390 BC, I doubt they were particularly gentle.

Oh, and the 3rd person thing was just the way you wrote in those days. I've also read that the Commentaries were reports from Caesar to the Senate, left deliberately unpolished to serve as a resource for future historians (though they do come across as excellent, plain Latin and have been praised as such ever since).
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:23 am


DeeFarnham
Kirk Douglas
Ariadnae
Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous


Actually my esteemed colleague, the third person was used because it was supposed to be transcribed by someone in Rome, not Caesar himself and for whatever reason it was never done this way.

Caesar was given the Governorship of Gaul because as an ex-consul, he was entitled to a territory for one year. (in his case 5 years)

Yes and Caesar killed hella Gauls. (some actually died because he burnt their earth and crops, starving them)

His enemies in the Senate tried to give him the roads and paths of Italy (actually a government office) as his "province" when he completed his year in office as consul, but he managed to get Transalpine Gaul instead.

As I remember it, the whole thing started with the Helvetii deciding to migrate westward out of Switzerland and Caesar marching over to "discuss" it with them. I'll have to go back and reread to see how the whole thing got out of hand and the defensive move against the Helvetii became an outright conquest. I don't necessarily blame Caesar for either the conquest or his methods, that was how things were done back then. And anyway, the Gauls sacked Rome in 390 BC, I doubt they were particularly gentle.

Oh, and the 3rd person thing was just the way you wrote in those days. I've also read that the Commentaries were reports from Caesar to the Senate, left deliberately unpolished to serve as a resource for future historians (though they do come across as excellent, plain Latin and have been praised as such ever since).


You're pretty well dead on, the Helvetii were migrating through Transalpine Gaul, which Caesar saw as a threat, and was like "O HELL NO" (not really what he said). I read the entire book for my paper in Roman Civ this year, very well written, easy to understand indeed.

Kirk Douglas


CTFarnham
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:17 am


Kirk Douglas
DeeFarnham
Kirk Douglas
Ariadnae
Kirk Douglas
Has anyone read this book?

If you had, you might have noticed that Caesar writes entirely in the third person. I thought this was unintentionally funny.


The question I mean to pose is: Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?


No, I mean, wasn't Caesar granted Gaul just to be shut up?
He destroyed them before he got dictatorship. I believe some half a million Gauls were killed because of him.

We all know the third person act is because he's so pompous


Actually my esteemed colleague, the third person was used because it was supposed to be transcribed by someone in Rome, not Caesar himself and for whatever reason it was never done this way.

Caesar was given the Governorship of Gaul because as an ex-consul, he was entitled to a territory for one year. (in his case 5 years)

Yes and Caesar killed hella Gauls. (some actually died because he burnt their earth and crops, starving them)

His enemies in the Senate tried to give him the roads and paths of Italy (actually a government office) as his "province" when he completed his year in office as consul, but he managed to get Transalpine Gaul instead.

As I remember it, the whole thing started with the Helvetii deciding to migrate westward out of Switzerland and Caesar marching over to "discuss" it with them. I'll have to go back and reread to see how the whole thing got out of hand and the defensive move against the Helvetii became an outright conquest. I don't necessarily blame Caesar for either the conquest or his methods, that was how things were done back then. And anyway, the Gauls sacked Rome in 390 BC, I doubt they were particularly gentle.

Oh, and the 3rd person thing was just the way you wrote in those days. I've also read that the Commentaries were reports from Caesar to the Senate, left deliberately unpolished to serve as a resource for future historians (though they do come across as excellent, plain Latin and have been praised as such ever since).


You're pretty well dead on, the Helvetii were migrating through Transalpine Gaul, which Caesar saw as a threat, and was like "O HELL NO" (not really what he said). I read the entire book for my paper in Roman Civ this year, very well written, easy to understand indeed.

That's pretty close, it was probably "O Helvetii, non!" mrgreen Or maybe "Helvetii ad domum" ("Helvetii go home").

And the Commentaries blend right into the books on the Civil Wars, too, though those aren't quite as good.
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:34 am


it would be "[b]Helvetii, Domum Ite!"
you dont use "ad" with domus and verbs of motion:
domus, rurus, humus "ground", Cities, towns, and " small" islands" ( islands with less than two cities) also follow this rule.
This is nitpicky-grammar, one of those rules found in the depths of the grammars. Romans would certainly understand "ite ad domum" but the sense of it would be " go towards home, we're not sure if you'll ever get there" whereas "ite domum" means "go home, and get your asinus there quick" wink
I'm pointing this in the spirit of scholarly enlightenment, not playing "gotcha"
( tome of voice is hard to express online, emotica or not) mrgreen

magistertexas


MissingxParts

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:31 pm


Read it in LATIN and I had to TRANSLATE it. It was by FAR the easiest thing of his I translated. I was pretty good (talking in third person is so cool) but the words he used, he was the only one to use them (ex. ut).
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:53 am


Quote:
Were the Gallic Wars justified for the protection of Rome or not?



Hell, no. Political Stunt. xd

Caesar couldn't return to Rome due to the fact he would be prosecuted for 'irregularities' in his year as consul. While Crassus and Pompey secured political and diplomatic power for Caesar in Rome, acting in their mutual interest (the senate was petrified of singular office due to the tyranny of the kings a few centuries earlier, and would have cracked down on any one man trying to go it alone.), Caesar kept himself in both the public eye (the Gallic wars span at least nine years) and favour by doing 'glorious deeds' in the name of Rome (and securing the military power which would later lead to his victory over Pompey.)

In my opinion, I think Caesar's aim in writing in the third person is to give the impression that he has a biographer ever present, both to make him seem like a grand, historical figure - and to make the flattery marginally less transparent.

incendere


Charley

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:44 pm


Caesar had a pretty good pretext in defending Cisalpine Gaul, even if it was debunked by Cato the Stoic and company. The Cimbri and the Teutones had killed a whole shitload of Romans in a nasty massacre not too long ago. The bodycount of that Germanic migration was stupendously massive, at several hundred thousand. So even though the Romans had turned this threat back, people would be rightfully cagey about Germanic issues. So his initial pretext did at least appear with plausability. Of course that's out the window the moment he starts shuffling the Gaulish client states and poking that hornets nest.
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