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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:13 pm
What religions teach that you must convert people do your religion besides Christianity? If any. And why do Christians feel they must convert people to their God? Why can't they just believe in whatever they believe in and let others believe in what they believe in?
I've been talked to by Mormons and Moonies. Mormons I'm not scared of, but the Moonies are members of a cult, so they scared me. Especially when they invited me to see a movie and said I couldn't tell my mother where I was going. This was a long time ago. The Reverend Moon owns the Washington Times, so they're in Washington DC now.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:30 pm
All religions have people that want to convert others to their religion. Part of it is the human ego, considering your religion better than someone else's.
People trying to convert me to their way of thinking doesn't bother me. It's zealotry and a false sense of superiority that bother me.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:49 pm
Not all of us want converts. Even in faiths that are 'supposed' to convert, there's always some laid back members who're busy minding what they're doing rather than what everyone else is. smile
It's just that the converters are a deafening bunch who don't want to let the idea go, regardless of what faith they're part of. Some are doing it to be nice to you, others are doing it for brownie points on whatever afterlife scorecard they play by. Most mean well by it; they think they're doing you a favor.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:27 pm
Christians think you'll burn in hell if you don't convert, so they think converting you is a good thing. Some of us Christians though think we should stay out of others' business. My opinion is if you force a religion down a person's throat, most likely they will throw it back up. So to aviod that, you advoid the cause, which is forcing it, and thus a person doesn't hate your religion.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:14 pm
It seemed to have worked for the Spanish Inquisition. How many people did they kill?
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:33 pm
Gelasius It seemed to have worked for the Spanish Inquisition. How many people did they kill? I don't think they really converted anyone. Just got people to say what they wanted to hear because nobody wants to be tortured.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:06 am
I think that the idea of conversion, as stated earlier in this thread, is that preachers truly believe that the unconverted are going to hell, and that the preacher wants to save them from eternal damnation. At least, that's what I really hope the motive is. Because the alternative theory is that preachers (of any religion) are too xenophobic of anything unfamiliar of them that they need to change their surroundings in order to cope.
Though, it's important to note that religious conversion, ironically enough, isn't just reserved for the religious. Many atheists are routinely accused of militarism. Richard Dawkins, for instance, is accused left and right of being a radical among atheists, in his sharp and often-pointed criticism of religion as a whole. The only difference is that Prof. Dawkins has evidence on his side, whereas any form of religion - as an activity based on faith - relies on belief through lack of (and often in spite of) evidence.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:00 pm
I'll echo some threads that Kraggus braught up. The act of 'conversion' has little, often, to do with the religion itself and a lot more to do with intrinsic qualities of human nature. 'Conversion,' or put another way, just getting someone to see things the same way you do (or at least understand it) is something we all do, every day, all the time. It happens particularly often in religion for a number of reasons, but I'll give you one of the simple ones in the form of a question you can ask yourself.
If you have something that is part of your life, be it a belief, posession, or person, that really means something powerful to you, don't you want to and love to share that with other people? Don't you want them to have the same happiness you receive from that belief, object, or person, that you have?
When something is very important to us, something central in our lives, we naturally want to share it with others so others too can enjoy in our discovered happiness. What we sometimes forget - being so enthralled in what braught us our happiness - is that what brings US happiness may not be what brings someone ELSE happiness. In our own ecstacy we might come off to others as pushy and prosetylizing even though we might only have the best of intentions. My bliss is not your bliss. My life is not your life. We need to remind ourselves of that sometimes.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:32 pm
Kraggus Doomhammer All religions have people that want to convert others to their religion. Part of it is the human ego, considering your religion better than someone else's. People trying to convert me to their way of thinking doesn't bother me. It's zealotry and a false sense of superiority that bother me. You can't really say all religions are out to convert. For example, the Kemetic Orthodoxy gives classes that describe thier religion, and only those who actually come to the site and say 'Yes, I would like to learn about it' are given about 8 online classes that describe the religion. Then they are asked if they would like to become Remetj (a person who believes in both the Egyptian pantheon and thier current faith). No one forces them to, no one tries to coax or preach to them, and the classes themselves are non-preaching, merely listing all of the facts concerning the history of the faith, the ritual of senut (the equivalent of going to church), and our moral compass, or the path of Ma'at. Also, anyone who is not 18 years old must have a parent send the Nisut a letter giving that child permission to take the classes. Form there, if a person decides they want to be a remetj, they are then asked if they want an RPD (Ritual of Parent Divination) This is one of the very few services where the Nisut asks for a donation to cover the cost of the materials needed. After the divination, the person is asked if they would like to become a Shemsu (a person who puts the Egyptian pantheon before all others) Once agian, there is no preaching, coaxing or anything used to try and 'recruit' a person. It is a choice given to the person involved, and one they make based on what they believe. There is never, at any time, any pressure or charismatic 'preaching' given to try and convert others, and no one holds anything agianst anyone who doesn't want to 'join the club', nor does anyone in the religion think this faith to be higher than any other. If anything, it's probably one of the most religiously tolerant faiths that I certainly know of. You aren't going to find anyone in the KO go and profess they're right and everyone else is wrong. You simply will not. There's no evangelists, no door to door sales. In fact, many of the faith were brought there not by other people, but by the Deities Themselves or were actually looking to study into Egyptian religion and came across the site.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:34 pm
Judaism discourages conversion to our religion.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:54 pm
Proudly_Jewish Judaism discourages conversion to our religion. Aren't people born into Judaism?
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:27 pm
ffdarkangel Proudly_Jewish Judaism discourages conversion to our religion. Aren't people born into Judaism? You can follow the religion without being born Jewish. There is basically a ritual for converting to Judaism. First a person has to ask to become Jewish (They don't go out trying to solicit members.) After they ask they are generally turned away. If they ask again after some time the rabbi will generally ask them questions about the religion and why they want to join. I'm pretty sure I got that all right. If anyone sees any mistakes please fix them for me.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:22 pm
Some religions get people to believe that if their friends are "unsaved", they will burn in Hell.
Other people think if they convert their friends, they have a better chance themselves of going to heaven.
LOL, funny story about that. Not to generalize, or anything, but I once went to a Born-Again camp by mistake (mom didn't notice what it was). I don't want to say I was brainwashed, but for a month afterwards, I had thrown away all my CDs that were not Christian, read the ENTIRE bible twice (at the age of 9 or so), and tried to convert nearly all my friends (resulting in quite a few arguments and such).
Most religions use Hell, or similar things, as scare topics, so not only will people join the religion, but others will attempt to save friends and family.
As I said in the beginning, I'm not generalizing, I understand only some people do this on purpose. I'm also not saying these religions are bad or untrue in any way...
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:09 am
In answer to your question, from the Islamic point of view: Islam disapproves of "making" people convert to your religion, since finding your beliefs is something you need to do on your own. However, what IS required of Muslims is to spread knowledge about the religion, without forcing people to convert at the same time.
Edit: However, we do welcome conversions openheartedly.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:45 pm
Ok converting is a statement that says "i belong to this religion or group" And it's not fair to say that ALL Christians shove religion down people's throats... i don't and i love listening to different ideas... sorry i had to say something... Converting to different religions such as Judism you can marry into it, be born into it, or decide(convert) to become part of the faith... and every religion or group has a "ritual" (if you want to call it that) to become part of that religion.
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