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Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:01 pm


I don't know why, but this subject just poped into my mind right now. XP
So I did some internet surfing and this is what I came accross:

History of Spontaneous Human Combustion:
Many people believe that Spontaneous Human Combustion was first documented in such early texts as the Bible, but, scientifically speaking, these accounts are too old and secondhand to be seen as reliable evidence.

Over the past 300 years, there have been more than 200 reports of persons burning to a crisp for no apparent reason.

The first reliable historic evidence of Spontaneous Human Combustion appears to be from the year 1673, when Frenchman Jonas Dupont published a collection of Spontaneous Human Combustion cases and studies entitled De Incendiis Corporis Humani Spontaneis. Dupont was inspired to write this book after encountering records of the Nicole Millet case, in which a man was acquitted of the murder of his wife when the court was convinced that she had been killed by spontaneous combustion. Millet, a hard-drinking Parisian was found reduced to ashes in his straw bed, leaving just his skull and finger bones. The straw matting was only lightly damaged. Dupont's book on this strange subject brought it out of the realm of folkloric rumor and into the popular public imagination.

More recent cases include:

Perhaps the most famous case occurred in St. Petersburg, Florida. Mary Hardy Reeser, a 67-year-old widow, spontaneously combusted while sitting in her easy chair on July 1, 1951. The next morning, her next door neighbor tried the doorknob, found it hot to the touch and went for help. She returned to find Mrs. Reeser, or what was left of her, in a blackened circle four feet in diameter.

On December 5, 1966, the ashes of Dr. J. Irving Bentley, 92, of Coudersport, Pennsylvania, were discovered by a meter reader. Dr. Bentley's body apparently ignited while he was in the bathroom and burned a 2-1/2-by-3-foot hole through the flooring, with only a portion of one leg remaining intact. Nearby paint was unscorched.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:02 pm


Theories about Spontaneous Human Combustion

- Alchoholism - many Spontaneous Human Combustion vicitms have been alcoholics. But experiments in the 19th century demonstrated that flesh impregnated with alcohol will not burn with the intense heat associated with Spontaneous Human Combustion.

- Deposits of flammable body fat - Many victims have been overweight - yet others have been skinny.

- Devine Intervention - Centuries ago people felt that the explosion was a sign from God of devine punishment.

- Build-up of static electricity - no known form of electrostatic discharge could cause a human to burst into flames.

- An explosive combination of chemicals can form in the digestive system - due to poor diet.

- Electrical fields that exist within the human body might be capable of 'short circuiting' somehow, that some sort of atomic chain reaction could generate tremendous internal heat.

No satisfactory explanation of Spontaneous Human Combustion has ever been given. It is still an unsolved mystery.
 

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:03 pm


What Remains After a Spontaneous Human Combustion Event

- The body is normally more severely burned than one that has been caught in a normal fire.

- The burns are not distributed evenly over the body; the extremities are usually untouched by fire, whereas the torso usually suffers severe burning.

- In some cases the torso is completely destroyed, the bones being reduced completely to ash.

- Small portions of the body (an arm, a foot, maybe the head) remain unburned.

- Only objects immediately associated with the body have burned; the fire never spread away from the body. SHC victims have burnt up in bed without the sheets catching fire, clothing worn is often barely singed, and flammable materials only inches away remain untouched.

- A greasy soot deposit covers the ceiling and walls, usually stopping three to four feet above the floor.

- Objects above this three to four foot line show signs of heat damage (melted candles, cracked mirrors, etc.)

- Although temperatures of about 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit are normally required to char a body so thoroughly (crematoria, which usually operate in the neighborhood of 2,000 degrees, leave bone fragments which must be ground up by hand), frequently little or nothing around the victim is damaged, except perhaps the exact spot where the deceased ignited.
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:05 pm


Types of Spontaneous Human Combustion
Some events of Spontaneous Human Combustion are witnessed but some are not.

All reported cases have occurred indoors.

The victims were always alone for a long period of time.

Witnesses who were nearby (in adjacent rooms) report never hearing any sounds, such as cries of pain or calls for assistance.

In the witnessed combustions - people are actually seen by witnesses to explode into flame; most commonly. Here the witnesses agree that there was no possible source of ignition and/or that the flames were seen to erupt directly from the victim's skin. Unfortunately, most of the known cases of this type are poorly documented and basically unconfirmed. Sometimes there are no flames seen by the witness.

Non-fatal cases - Unfortunately, the victims of these events generally have no better idea of what happened to them than do the investigators; but the advantage to this grouping is that a survivor can confirm if an event had a simple explaination or not. Thus, there are far fewer cases of Spontaneous Human Combustion with survivors that can be explained away by skeptics without a second look.

Sometimes victims develop burns on their bodies that have no known external cause. These strange wounds commonly start as small discomforts that slowly grow into large, painful marks.

Sometimes the victim will exhibit a mysterious smoke from the body. In these odd and rare occurences smoke is seen to emanate from a person, with no associated fire or source of smoke other than the person's body.


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Emily`s_Gone_Mad


Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:12 pm


Questions:

What do you think about spontaneous human combustion?

What do you think causes human spontaneous combustion?

Do you think it's just a myth? Or could there possibly be some scientific explination?

Do you think it has to do with Alien lifeforms visiting this planet?

Do you think it's twilight zone-type phenomena that people tend to lump with ectoplasm and telekinesis?
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:27 pm


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Emily`s_Gone_Mad


kitten22481
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:28 pm


I have seen a couple of documentaries on SHC and I really think that it is real. I believe that state of mind could play a part in the phenomenon. From what I have seen the people are usually alone for long periods of time. Maybe they are depressed and think that they would be better off if they didn't exist or were dead. Maybe they psychologically ignite themselves by willing themselves to death?? I find it really interesting that only the core of the body is usually burned and that the extremities are usually left intact and unburned. The temps that the fires burn at also astounds me. Even in most crematoriums the bones are not reduced to ash and are usually pulverized into dust. The fact that the bones are reduced to ash is craziness.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:36 pm


yeah, I was trying to find a documentary...to watch...but nothing good.
If ya find one, post it.
I'd like to see it.

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


kitten22481
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:03 pm


The one I saw was on the either discovery channel or tlc or history channel...*can't remember*
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:05 am


I saw a documentary on this subject years ago (British I believe). The researchers found that in all recorded cases of apparent SHC there WAS in fact an ignition source, or a potential ignition source. In most recorded cases the bodies were, as stated, completely consumed, or only a foot or arm remained. They were all indoors and the room was dripping with condensation.

The researchers were able to replicate a SHC event using a pig carcass, that very closely resembled the reported cases of apparent SHC. They found that a body can smoulder very slowly, the fat burning in the same way a candle does, and then simply extinguish itself, leaving behind untouched body parts, and the room unburned.

So, the most likely scenario is where someone who is home alone (as in most reported cases) perhaps trips and bumps into a radiator , knocking themselves unconcious in the process. The radiator sets fire to their clothing, which burns the person's flesh and melts the fat layer beneath the skin. The evaporating fat fuels the burning, and the body is slowly consumed over many hours. The moisture in the body steams off leaving the distinctive condensation on the walls. At some point the smouldering stops, perhaps when it reaches a part of the body that contains little fat, like the elbow or knee, wrist or ankle.

Gross, but hardly paranormal. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the documentary, but I think it was an episode of one of those "Myths Revealed" type shows. I know the above theory doesn't gel with reports of people seeing people bursting into flames, but I guess all eyewitness reports are questionable at best, unless many witnesses give an identical report of the same event or the witness was a cop or something like that.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:14 pm


I saw also some documentaries about that, but I think that nowadays it's quite extremely rare.. It was probably "usual" in the time where there was a special type of heater, with gas... But well now it's very rare to found that.
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:08 pm


What do you think about spontaneous human combustion?

Quite some way to go. sweatdrop

What do you think causes human spontaneous combustion?

One of the most well few leadings up to SHC seemed rather
possible. Though I'd have to check how it was exactly stated but
said that a more flamable chemicals are present in much larger
than normal amounts or something to that effect.

Do you think it's just a myth? Or could there possibly be some scientific explination?

I think possible, though I can't say for sure due to lack of any evidence I could say to support.

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AceCordellis

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:08 am


Okay, I have to admit it.

The idea of spontanious human combustion is absolutely hilarious to me. It took me alot of self-control not to burst out laughing as I read the cases of Spontanious human combustion in my Online Bio class.

But really, I bet it's most likely to do with alcohol, and the digestive system. I mean, when you think about it, alcohol's flamable and the stomach has acid. Maybe with some other things thrown it, it could cause some bad results.


... Spontanious combustion... xd Aaahahahahahahaha! Sorry, I may be pyro.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:55 am


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Hmm.. Thats quite worrying.
I'm dubious aswell.

If alot of the cases were alcohol related, then maybe there could have been a simple spark, which ignites something unnoticed (like a hood or hat), then the person passes out due to alcohol, and burns away slowly.

It's not a nice thing to think about.

Interesting though.

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