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ImaginaryQuicksilver

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:37 pm


Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:18 pm


ImaginaryQuicksilver
Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.
Well, first there should be a suitable definition of the terms "body" and "soul."

chaoticpuppet


Starlock

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:44 am


Offhand, I'd say neither. It's generated by your neurons, like every other experience. Originates in the brain. The emotions can then influence the body and the soul, if you believe in such a thing.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:12 am


ImaginaryQuicksilver
Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.


God my head hurts now, some electronic impulses must have went from the brain to the brain.

Actually everything in our body is just an electronic impulse.

When I want to move my arm- my brain sends an impulse to the arm, which commands it to move it.


When someone slaps me in the face- the feeling receptors are sending a message to the brain on their current situation, and then the brain changes it to the feeling we call "pain", to inform our consciousness that we are feeling pain.



When we are in love the amount of certain hormones is being increased , which commands the brain to feel "Happy" or as we like to call it "in love".
The hormones are mainly serotonin.


If you ask me the whole feeling thing is totally deterministic. I think the humans nature of feeling is similar to the "feeling" nature of the computer. The brain (the processor) is sending messages (impulses) to certain parts of our body ( computer parts).



This really attacks the divinity of the human kind, and actually of all living things.

Musubi P.


Starlock

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:15 am


p2prince

This really attacks the divinity of the human kind, and actually of all living things.


Does it? I don't think so. Only if you think that just because something isn't proven, it doesn't exist (which is erroneous logic). Science never tries to prove something dosen't exist, because it's damn hard to prove a negative. Instead it proves something does exist. But you can't assume that just because you don't have proof, it doesn't exist, see what I'm saying? While it is a fact our bodies are driven by the action of our nervous system, there may be other things at work that we can't see.

Personally, I find it very presumptuous to think that there is NOT something at work that we can't see. Humanity would have to be terribly full of itself to think it is equipped with the senses to detect everything out there, because our senses are very limited. We can only see, touch, taste, hear, and smell; and far worse than other animals at that. We're prisoners of our own senses in terms of what we perceive as reality. It's likely that other aspects of reality exist that we cannot detect with our senses. The soul might be one of them.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:17 pm


Starlock
Personally, I find it very presumptuous to think that there is NOT something at work that we can't see. Humanity would have to be terribly full of itself to think it is equipped with the senses to detect everything out there, because our senses are very limited. We can only see, touch, taste, hear, and smell; and far worse than other animals at that. We're prisoners of our own senses in terms of what we perceive as reality. It's likely that other aspects of reality exist that we cannot detect with our senses. The soul might be one of them.


I would agree that it would be presumptuous to assume that the world is limited by our current knowledge.
By this logic, I believe that there are many things out there that are simply in another realm of science other than the ones that we are currently aquainted with.

I would disagree, however, that our senses are limited to the aforementioned five.

Along those lines, I think that it is also wrong to assume that all actions of a person are determined by electrical impulses.
If it were so simple, then we would not be limited to "theories" pertaining to the inner working of sight and smell.
If we cannot hope to define what makes something like sight and smell work, then how can we possibly hope to define emotions and feelings?

As well, if emotions were as simple as nueronic impulses, then where do these impulses originate?
Also, consider that the impulses may be the effect of a given emotion, and not cause.

I have a problem with trying to define the inner working of humans or animals with pure, mechanical science.
Perhaps there is a definite mechanic to it -- however, I do not believe that we know what these mechanics are.

Firstly, I consider it a bit naive to hold the notion that our current scientific knowledge can come close to defining the working of the human mind.

Secondly, I think that it is perhaps a childish or simplistic line of thought to attempt to fit the definition of something so complex into a knowledge base so plainly limited.

(It's similar to this: someone cannot fit the idea of infinity in their mind, and instead attempts to rationalize that thought by saying "infinity must have SOME sort of end" -- they are also in denial that true infinity could even exist, on the grounds that if they cannot comprehend it, then it must not be possible.)


On the subject of the topic:
I think that emotions are most likely a mental/spiritual state, and that the body is affected accordingly.


-Alezunde

Alissa Meningford


Digital Leviathan

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:08 pm


ImaginaryQuicksilver
Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.


There is no such thing as a soul. I see emotions as chemicals in the mind and body. Things can go wrong with it. That's why people have bipolar disorder and other mood disorders.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:55 am


Digital Leviathan
ImaginaryQuicksilver
Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.


There is no such thing as a soul. I see emotions as chemicals in the mind and body. Things can go wrong with it. That's why people have bipolar disorder and other mood disorders.


And don't forget the electric impulses in the neurons.
The data transfer in the neurons is electrical.

Musubi P.


Alissa Meningford

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:07 am


My psychic powers tell me that two posters didn't read the topic.

If emotions were as simpl as chemical reactions, we would have them figured out by now.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:50 am


I'm not going to agree or disagree with you, but it's not like everything there is to know about chemical reactions has been discovered. If that were true we'd probably have much more efficient ways to obtain electricity, or be able to do other unrelated stuff. Also, then why do people say that certain drugs can completely alter their emotional mindset?

Maybe one day we will have a way to eliminate someone's sense of smell. Perhaps even create sight to someone who is completely blind?

I mean to say that I believe one day it could be possible for all emotions to be directly created/altered/destroyed; and that for me is reason not to dismiss the possibility of chemical reactions/electrical impulses/whatever.

You Rule Supreme


Alissa Meningford

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:25 pm


You Rule Supreme
I'm not going to agree or disagree with you, but it's not like everything there is to know about chemical reactions has been discovered. If that were true we'd probably have much more efficient ways to obtain electricity, or be able to do other unrelated stuff. Also, then why do people say that certain drugs can completely alter their emotional mindset?

Maybe one day we will have a way to eliminate someone's sense of smell. Perhaps even create sight to someone who is completely blind?

I mean to say that I believe one day it could be possible for all emotions to be directly created/altered/destroyed; and that for me is reason not to dismiss the possibility of chemical reactions/electrical impulses/whatever.

You make a lot of sense and make a good point. 3nodding

Another way to look at this may be such:
If we assume for the moment that each person has a soul, then it may be safe to guess that the body provides input for the soul.
If you alter the state of the mechanics that input information, it could provoke a change in emotional state.

However, this is circular logic.
Let's discuss this point further. :p

-Alezunde
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:19 pm


In my opinion, emotion is a product of your brain and mind( when I say mind, I think of the concious, subconcious, and beyond. They are all mysterious in my eyes since I know very little about what they are and what they do FOR SURE.) that is put implace to dictate what you do in your life to help you acheive your desires. What your desires are is based on who you are, and how you handle the feelings you are given is also based upon who you are. When I say "who you are" I mean like the events that you have gone through in your life that dictates the two things that I explained above. I would say that emotions are body and mind. You intake from your senses events which you then anylize in your brain which then creates emotions. But I would say that the brain makes up most of it since when you look at a rock, you see a rock no matter what, but what you think about a rock is different.

I hope I didn't contradict myself.

ImNotaFashionStatment


Invictus_88

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:47 am


I don't really hold to the existence of a soul.

Though it is clear that emotion is caused by the body, it is not part of the body. And that while it is caused by the body, the reaction is governed by the consciousness.

Counsciousness and emotion both being things that transcend the physical world of particles.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:18 pm


ImaginaryQuicksilver
Do you think Emotion is a condition of the body or soul? Explain your reasoning.


I would imagine emotion to be a contidion of the body, since it does involve certain biochemical reactions.

I must point out, however, that there is no purely logical standpoint for anything. No matter what, there is no way to get to a logical position outside of a human context. In this way, emotions will always play a part in the reasoning of an individual.

Just my two cents.

DamionLee


airsswordsman
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:06 pm


Emotions are of varying types. Some are more transcendental and belong to the soul, i.e. love, altruism, etc., and others are merely the bodily condition based on the situation. Long-lasting ones tend toward the soul and the short-lived emotions are of the body. It's merely an observation, so don't put too much stock in it. A more important question is, why do we commit ourselves to emotions?
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