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Lord Setar

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:24 pm


The excessive use of scare tactics and the downplaying or outright ignorance of one side, conveniently, the side contrary to the agenda pushed by abstinence-only curriculums, leads me to compare the abstinence-only curriculum to the propaganda machine. Abstinence only promotes the joys of abstinence, and when contraceptives come in, it provides only the shortcomings, the disadvantages, the downfalls. For abortion, it fabricates or over-exaggerates possible risks and dangers. For STIs, the curriculum provides pictures that are no more than scare tactics.

My abstinence only curriculum also stated that extramarital sex went up in the 1960s as a result of the women's movement. As well, it dealt with the evils of online relationships, telling girls, in opinionated form, "you don't know who it is" and crap like that.

Seriously. School is a place to be educated. Propaganda is not education, and propaganda machines have no place in school aside from examples used to prove points in pertinent classes such as English or Social Studies/World History. Why the abstinence-only propaganda machine is SUPPORTED by the government of the United States of America for use in schools is far beyond my knowledge.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:30 am


Lord Setar
As well, it dealt with the evils of online relationships, telling girls, in opinionated form, "you don't know who it is" and crap like that.

Well, that part is true, at least. While a lot of people on the Internet mean no harm, others do.
Just one example; a man in Sweden was recently convicted for sexually abusing 58 girls, down to 12 years of age, that he'd contacted over the Internet. Some got payed, others got raped. A 13-year-old got pregnant.

Online relationships do not automatically equal bad, but it is important to keep in mind that it is a lot easier to lie across computer screens than face to face.

Just sayin'

Tingilyae


Fran Salaska

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:26 am


Abstinence should be an informed choice - just like every decision regarding sexual wellbeing. I heard on the radio this morning that one in ten uni students here (England) don't know how to put on a condom, and one in five think that two condoms are better than one. Clearly our own sex education is doing something wrong, even though we don't have abstinence-only pushed on us.

And the American government is mixing religion with politics. Not usually a good idea.

(On a side-note, I've met a few people online, but I always took someone with me and made sure that I wanted to meet them first.)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:25 pm


Iowa just passed a law stating that all sex education must be medically accurate. i mean, they can still teach abstinence only, but it has to be based on facts. for some reason, abstinence only education and facts don't jive with me. not that waiting until marraige is a bad thing, but it's not so much based on reality as it is morals and religion. if it's an informed decision that an individual is making for themselves, then all the more power to them. even after this law i'm sure there will still be teachers and schools that attempt to scare kids into waiting until they're married, but it's a start.

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My abstinence only curriculum also stated that extramarital sex went up in the 1960s as a result of the women's movement.

it's always the women's fault! those dirty whores shouldn't be having sex outside of marraige and if they do they're just asking for AIDS/to become a single mother because no self respecting male would stay with a woman that had sex outside of marraige even though he slept with her and he was already married but not to her!

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Lord Setar

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:29 pm


Speaking of the women's movement, the propaganda lady said the whole "Women don't need men" thing was not true.

Um. To a point, yes, it is very true. And if you're a lesbian, then I would say it's wholly true.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:12 pm


Wow. I can understand the whole theory of "I'm only lying to them for their own good. It's just like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny! They can get the REAL facts when they can handle them." At least these people are working under some delusion. But telling women that they do need to rely on men and feminism is the blame for sexual promiscuity and social ills... where's that coming from?

I do understand that feminism played a huge part in the sexual revolution. Without women feeling empowered, challenging the double standard, and having access to birth control and abortion, the sexual revolution would have never been possible. But they're making it sound like that's a BAD thing, or like feminism made women into man-hating sluts. (Which is kinda oxymoronic... and really just plain moronic.)

PhaedraMcSpiffy


PersephoneMediocris

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:15 pm


Lord Setar
Speaking of the women's movement, the propaganda lady said the whole "Women don't need men" thing was not true.

Um. To a point, yes, it is very true. And if you're a lesbian, then I would say it's wholly true.

Oh yes, every woman must have a man. If she doesn't she's incomplete. Ever heard of Elizabeth I? Everyone knows she was just yearning for some weird (and possibly gay) French dude to come and boss her around. What else could a woman want but a husband and ten children? rolleyes
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:40 am


Abstinence-only sex education is doing more harm than good. I've been in one of these as well, when I attended a Christian High School, and we were only told "don't do it or you'll get an STD". They never mentioned:
-Pregnancy
-Condoms
-The birth control pill
-Any other type of birth control
-How STDs can be spread
-HIV/AIDS
-The emotional aspect of sex
-Pregnancy options
When I transferred schools, my health class then discussed ALL of those things, and it was really informative. The teacher even had extra pamphlets of information for the kids if they wished, and phone numbers that could prove useful.

If you are never taught about sex PROPERLY you are not going to know how to go about having SAFE sex. And yes, even inside of a marriage, safe sex is encouraged, especially to couples who don't yet want children.

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Miraculous Jorbee

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:31 pm


Tingilyae
Lord Setar
As well, it dealt with the evils of online relationships, telling girls, in opinionated form, "you don't know who it is" and crap like that.

Well, that part is true, at least. While a lot of people on the Internet mean no harm, others do.
Just one example; a man in Sweden was recently convicted for sexually abusing 58 girls, down to 12 years of age, that he'd contacted over the Internet. Some got payed, others got raped. A 13-year-old got pregnant.

Online relationships do not automatically equal bad, but it is important to keep in mind that it is a lot easier to lie across computer screens than face to face.

Just sayin'


Well, as much as you slightly pointed out how there are exceptions, please stop highlighting and pointing out how this woman was right when there is another side and you don't make it look too good or right at all. I most certainly know Setar, and I most certainly love him. Bullshit if me hearing his mom and his grandparents on skype, him as well, him on webcam, him on the phone, pictures of him personalized for me make me not know him.

So yeah, you kinda can. Sometimes you don't, sometimes you do. The cases of rape, s**t happens. Yeah, people should be really careful. I don't blame them one bit cause' it's the sick bastards who pull this s**t and hurt people like that, but pleas eI beg of you do not defame the online world and online relationships by saying that it was right that you just don't know them.

I do appreciate that you didn't full on blast internet dating, but yeah..

Just saying as well, I suppose.
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:28 pm


Oki - Chan
Tingilyae
Lord Setar
As well, it dealt with the evils of online relationships, telling girls, in opinionated form, "you don't know who it is" and crap like that.

Well, that part is true, at least. While a lot of people on the Internet mean no harm, others do.
Just one example; a man in Sweden was recently convicted for sexually abusing 58 girls, down to 12 years of age, that he'd contacted over the Internet. Some got payed, others got raped. A 13-year-old got pregnant.

Online relationships do not automatically equal bad, but it is important to keep in mind that it is a lot easier to lie across computer screens than face to face.

Just sayin'


Well, as much as you slightly pointed out how there are exceptions, please stop highlighting and pointing out how this woman was right when there is another side and you don't make it look too good or right at all. I most certainly know Setar, and I most certainly love him. Bullshit if me hearing his mom and his grandparents on skype, him as well, him on webcam, him on the phone, pictures of him personalized for me make me not know him.

So yeah, you kinda can. Sometimes you don't, sometimes you do. The cases of rape, s**t happens. Yeah, people should be really careful. I don't blame them one bit cause' it's the sick bastards who pull this s**t and hurt people like that, but pleas eI beg of you do not defame the online world and online relationships by saying that it was right that you just don't know them.

I do appreciate that you didn't full on blast internet dating, but yeah..

Just saying as well, I suppose.


I agree, unless you go and meet up with someone you met online in a dark alley alone, you should probably be fine. I mean, there are exceptions, but most girls who get hurt online met up with someone they hadn't been contacting for very long in a private place alone.

PersephoneMediocris


The Velveteen Violinist

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:01 pm


Although abstinence is the only way to avoid STDs and pregnancy (assuming that rape doesn't happen too often), I think that most Abs-only curriculum are BS- propoganda, as you put it- yes, that too.

Oh yeah- when you get married, then all of a sudden, the magical Abstinence-until-marriage fairy comes and makes all the STDs and risks of unwanted pregnancy MAGICALLY go away! rolleyes Seriously, when they don't teach about it, they don't teach it at ALL.
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:32 pm


Oki - Chan


Well, as much as you slightly pointed out how there are exceptions, please stop highlighting and pointing out how this woman was right when there is another side and you don't make it look too good or right at all. I most certainly know Setar, and I most certainly love him. Bullshit if me hearing his mom and his grandparents on skype, him as well, him on webcam, him on the phone, pictures of him personalized for me make me not know him.

So yeah, you kinda can. Sometimes you don't, sometimes you do. The cases of rape, s**t happens. Yeah, people should be really careful. I don't blame them one bit cause' it's the sick bastards who pull this s**t and hurt people like that, but pleas eI beg of you do not defame the online world and online relationships by saying that it was right that you just don't know them.

I do appreciate that you didn't full on blast internet dating, but yeah..

Just saying as well, I suppose.


Thank you very much. You're right, dating online is pretty much just as safe--maybe even safer-- than dating offline.

I was in an online relationship, once. It was my first one ever. I keep quiet about it and pretend it didn't happen much of the time because of the social stigma (and because I got my heart broken. But it's all good now.), but I guess I should be more honest about it, because I HATED my parents and everyone telling me he was a lying 30-80 year old rapist. We never met offline, but we did talk on the phone. I'm pretty damn sure he is who he said he was.

The thing is, you shouldn't really trust ANYBODY unless you know them really, really well.

PhaedraMcSpiffy

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