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 Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:46 pm
I was at the bar oe fine day...Ok, I was acctually at work, when I had a very sad thought idea ( I always have cosmic and philisophical thoughts at work, I still don't know why.)
It concerned suicide. Almost all religions say that suicide is a sin and is not to be done. thats all well and good. But what about smoking or other drug use that will eventually kill you? you know it will eventually kill you, so does that count as suicide?
Don't kill me smokers or other drug users
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:54 pm
I'm all alone... there is no one here beside meeee!...
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:02 pm
That is a good point, actually. I was questioning something I read about Japan the other day - it said during one of the fights, a large amount of people were ordered to commit suicide; while I know there's the honor and ceremony difference and all that, isn't it just another way of saying they murdered them?
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:58 am
Sorry for mispellings and grammer I am using a bad keyboard. Well, this is a confusing subject Aki Yasu To answer this like you have said already suicide is a sin Clear and simple. Smoking and drugs. We all know ((Erm well most of us)) know that it can kill you so technically you are killing yourself slowly... So, I believe it is suicide. *But, what about the kids who are addicted when they are young because of thier parents? Or the chidlren whom are born because heir parents smoked or did drugs while they were pregnant? They are automatically addicted when they are born...What then...? So, if you smoke and smoking is bad and somone dies because you smoke does that mean you killed them? Alright, Momochaos. It is actully really interesting. Like you have pointed out in your post: Quote: I read about Japan the other day - it said during one of the fights, a large amount of people were ordered to commit suicide; while I know there's the honor and ceremony difference and all that, isn't it just another way of saying they murdered them? Well, I would personally say that they commited suicide. They had a choice whether to die by their own hands or if hey refused them to be killed, at least that is what I think. ((Looks up wow I wrote alot))
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:04 pm
Well, everyone has their own oppinion. Interesting to see what other people think sometimes.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:11 pm
Momochaos Well, everyone has their own oppinion. Interesting to see what other people think sometimes. Agreed.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:59 pm
Another point, for Aki's original subject, that makes the companies that manufacture the cigarettes/drugs/etc. murderers as well, despite their arguement that it's up to the individual to decide whether to buy their product or not.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:39 pm
Momochaos Another point, for Aki's original subject, that makes the companies that manufacture the cigarettes/drugs/etc. murderers as well, despite their arguement that it's up to the individual to decide whether to buy their product or not. Yes, It is also there fault for they are selling the product to mis-guided people.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:09 pm
I'm glad a few people think the same way I do. I posted this thread elswhere and the answer was overwhelmingly "NO!"
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:16 am
Yeah, if I mentioned this in one of the other guilds I'm in, they'd probably laugh at me. They're not real quiet about stuff like this, and not in like talking about how wrong it is... Admittedly, they are fun to talk to once in a while, but they're a little insane.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:31 am
I will now share with you my dark view on the world... Once again... ((I'm prepared to be hurting)):
I don't think smoking is suicide. Very few people die from smoking cigarettes. I'm sure there's statistic out there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Second, what does it matter? I could kill myself right now, what's the difference? We are all going to die. Personally, I'd rather die young and strong, at the top, rather than wither away, becoming senile and sickly, dying in a hospital bed with all my friends dead before me.
As for drugs... I know a lot of drug abusers. I mean, serious abusers, not the casual kind. Acid, X, meth, koks, ganja... Most of them would be dead long ago if not for drugs. Without it, they wouldn't be able to go on. As for suicide being a sin, I don't agree either. Why should anyone be forced to live? If life has become nothing but a living Hell, why go on? You can't force someone to live.
Besides, by the "smoking kills=suicide", then what about cars? Fast food? In the US, overweight kills more people every year than smoking. So McDonalds, Wendys, pan pizza, coke, candy... It's suicide?
P.S, I'm not a smoker, and I've never done drugs. I'm healthy, I train regulary, I read books etc...
As for smoking, let's say it shortens your life. Well, then maybe some people don't care?
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:02 pm
Once again, everyone has their own oppinions. I agree that suicide shouldn't be considered a sin...then again, I've never personally refered to anything as a sin in the first place, so whether anyone even bothers with that comment...eh.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:38 pm
Quick poll: How many of you define 'sin' as an act going against the will of God?
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:58 pm
When I hear the word 'sin', what generally comes to mind is how a lot of people use it in the context of 'evil deed', actually. Same difference, I guess.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:38 pm
Yeah... And let's not get into a conversation about what 'sin' is and how to define it. Let's leave stuff like that to the greek philosophers, shall we?
What I meant was, how many of you are religious and consider smoking a sin because you think it's suicide, which is a sin?
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