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 Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:48 pm
Talk about a touchy subject! mrgreen
I will start the discussion with scripture (where everything should start):
Read what St. Matthew records in the 3rd chapter:
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?” 15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
Now, my question: What does Jesus mean "to fulfill all righteousness"?
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:48 am
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:21 pm
Um...yes it's very cool!
Here we see a miracle taking place. Christ dips himself into the dirtiest river in the area and cleanses our sin. In this single act, Jesus "cleans" the baptism waters for us and takes on our sin when we are baptized. "He became sin" for our sakes, to take the wrath of God and grant gifts to men.
So, now when you are baptized, you are baptized into Christ's death and ressurection. Your baptism washes your sins away and gives you faith.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:18 pm
I know, but heres what I don't get, batism is importaint and most religons can not see that, I mean why is it so hard? God asked us to do it for the right reason and so we should, I mean see what he did for us, how can we tell him, no its not good, I'll wait later? *blinks* why?
plus why is Baptist called that when they don't even beleive it?
If you do thats great just please tell me why that is.....I mean in Acts 2:37-38 he talks about why you should and what it will do, the Lord's prayer isn't going to help, its not even mentioned in the bible, so why do it, its not going to save you.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:31 am
gothic_kitty_kairira I know, but heres what I don't get, batism is importaint and most religons can not see that, I mean why is it so hard? God asked us to do it for the right reason and so we should, I mean see what he did for us, how can we tell him, no its not good, I'll wait later? *blinks* why?
The next questiion is, is it a gift from God or is it a gift of intellect?
If it is a gift from God then everyone, including infants, should be baptised just as Peter did.
If it is a gift of intellect and WE decide, then what is the age? I have preschoolers confessing the creeds in my church. How are we to judge anothers faith? We can only do it by a confession. We are not able to tell if they mean it or not. gothic_kitty_kairira plus why is Baptist called that when they don't even beleive it? If you do thats great just please tell me why that is.....I mean in Acts 2:37-38 he talks about why you should and what it will do, the Lord's prayer isn't going to help, its not even mentioned in the bible, so why do it, its not going to save you.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:44 pm
ok yeah your right, but I'm still studing the bible and learning it as well as others.....isn't there somewhere in the bible like I think in Mark that Jesus said that to be saved is to call upon the lord and be batpized? or no?
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mike_johnson generated a random number between
1 and 10 ...
1!
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:35 pm
gothic_kitty_kairira ok yeah your right, but I'm still studing the bible and learning it as well as others.....isn't there somewhere in the bible like I think in Mark that Jesus said that to be saved is to call upon the lord and be batpized? or no? Yes there is. There are many views on this, and nobody will EVER come to agreement on a single answer.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:42 pm
why can't they come down to the one answer that the bible says? Isn't that why we're here on this earth is to follow Christ and his word? Poeple don't make since to me crying
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:40 pm
mike_johnson gothic_kitty_kairira why can't they come down to the one answer that the bible says? Isn't that why we're here on this earth is to follow Christ and his word? Poeple don't make since to me crying Because not everything in the bible is flat-out and literal, and there can be different interpretations of what it says. neutral neutral this is also true and its very hard in revelation's what exactually are they talking about but in the book of acts, and i think mark or mattews ( in know its very helpful ^_^ sorry) it does explains well on what we should do with batpism
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:21 pm
gothic_kitty_kairira ok yeah your right, but I'm still studing the bible and learning it as well as others.....isn't there somewhere in the bible like I think in Mark that Jesus said that to be saved is to call upon the lord and be batpized? or no?
Scripture is very clear that baptism is a life giving water, rich in grace, and a washing of the new birth of the Holy Ghost. As Paul says in Titus chapter 3.
You know, the ridicule of baptism is a very new thing. the Church has always believed in the saving and faith giving power of baptism. What's changed is American christianity. the American idea is that we can do it all ourselves and we don't believe that water and the Word of God can do such great things.
So the true Church does agree. It is those outside the Church that can not make up their minds.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:34 pm
people think that christians change their ways just like the jw's the mormans the cathlich, but really we didn't chanage not the bible, what did change is the things aroung us yes, but we shouldn't change the word of our lord just because things that are being reconider, I know we live in a country that thinks that Football is the real religon to believe, that right there should tell you how messed up people could be brain washed and its not even thier fault.
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