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MustangDragon

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:39 pm


I have been reading about our bees (well, it's happening in Europe too now) being wiped out by of all things cell phones.

It seems that the radiation from cell phones and towers disorient the worker bees, and prevent them from returning to the home hive. The hives then die out. This has happend to over 50% of American hives.

Farmers rely on bees to pollinate their crops. Large numers of hives are moved around the country at the proper times to polinate various crops.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

Other, related, articles on the mass die-out of bee hives --

BEE COLONIES ACROSS U.S. CONTINUE TO DIE (4/7/2007):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/12825

ARE GM CROPS KILLING BEES? (3/23/2007):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/12754

HONEYBEES VANISH, LEAVING KEEPERS IN PERIL (2/27/2007):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/12647

U.S. BEE COLONIES DECIMATED BY MYSTERIOUS AILMENT (2/14/2007):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/12588

PARASITE DEVASTATES U.S. BEES (5/2/2005):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/9104

MAD BEE DISEASE (2/20/2001):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/1181
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:48 pm


Thats really quite interesting...

Sun Charm
Vice Captain


MustangDragon

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:54 pm


sun_charm
Thats really quite interesting...


Scary too. Einstein once said something like "if all bees were to die, mankind would have four months to live".

I just hope some other insect opportunitizes and takes the place of the bees as a pollinator.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:59 pm


Well I wonder why man would die that quickly? It's just that humans can survive without honey can't they?

Sun Charm
Vice Captain


`Zeke

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:06 pm


MustangDragon
sun_charm
Thats really quite interesting...


Scary too. Einstein once said something like "if all bees were to die, mankind would have four months to live".

I just hope some other insect opportunitizes and takes the place of the bees as a pollinator.


We must breed butterflies, masses and masses of butterflies.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:08 pm


sun_charm
Well I wonder why man would die that quickly? It's just that humans can survive without honey can't they?


It goes deeper then that. It messes up the food chain for one thing, plus bees are one of the highest transporters of flower pollen, from one flower to the other. Flowers will begin to decline because they won't be able to reproduce. One thing leads to another then bang, man is dead?

`Zeke


kitten22481
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:11 pm


`Zeke
sun_charm
Well I wonder why man would die that quickly? It's just that humans can survive without honey can't they?


It goes deeper then that. It messes up the food chain for one thing, plus bees are one of the highest transporters of flower pollen, from one flower to the other. Flowers will begin to decline because they won't be able to reproduce. One thing leads to another then bang, man is dead?
It isn't just flowers that need to be pollenated. Fruit trees, some veggies as well need to be pollenated as well.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:36 pm


Here we are now going to the south side I pick up my friends and we hope we wont die


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Man... So its proven that cell phones are at least partailly responcible?....*Uses cell phone even less, which is even closer to not at all*

~JD~

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Ride at night, ride through heaven and hell Come back and feel so well.

JessiDlux93


Ang Yi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:34 pm


Problem with no bees is that most things they pollinate aren't pillinated by other insects. Each insect, bird or animal plays a role in specific plants.

This is really interesting since I wasn't aware that my eternal time invested on talking on the phone would be killing the bees. What are we to do without honey?!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:42 pm


kitten22481
`Zeke
sun_charm
Well I wonder why man would die that quickly? It's just that humans can survive without honey can't they?


It goes deeper then that. It messes up the food chain for one thing, plus bees are one of the highest transporters of flower pollen, from one flower to the other. Flowers will begin to decline because they won't be able to reproduce. One thing leads to another then bang, man is dead?
It isn't just flowers that need to be pollenated. Fruit trees, some veggies as well need to be pollenated as well.


Yea, I meant like the flowers of all plants and what not. sweatdrop
But yes, as Kat said, we'll inevitably die of starvation.

Bees pollinate plants, plants feed herbivores, herbivores feed carnivores, and man eats both. When the bees go extinct all hell breaks loose.

`Zeke


MustangDragon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:21 am


`Zeke

Yea, I meant like the flowers of all plants and what not. sweatdrop
But yes, as Kat said, we'll inevitably die of starvation.

Bees pollinate plants, plants feed herbivores, herbivores feed carnivores, and man eats both. When the bees go extinct all hell breaks loose.


Precisely.

Our only choices would be sea foods... fish, crustations, sea weeds.... And that would not feed the world. There would be wars over that food and all territory near oceans.

And I'm sure no place in the world has enough food stored to feed the population for more than 4 months. I suppose we could eat moss... is that edible?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:41 am


We can always manually pollinate, you know. Hell, it would give the whining jobless masses something to do.

Tyris Stark

Seeker


Jad-Hoven

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:21 pm


I read through the articles and it does seem interesting. I have never trusted or liked cell phones(just look at what happens to a TV or Computer monitor if you leave on near it), but it does not seem consisten with the sudden depopulation.

Why would all of the bees die very suddenly in this year when they had been relativly ok in previous years. Why is it only happening in certain states, how is cell phone radiation messing up their permanent tracking capabilities, as opposed to temporary as the previous studies showed (I think to tired to look up sources right now will check tomorrow).

A new chemical, pesticide, or exotic disease seems more likely to me. Also of interest the articles only mention domesticated honey bees not wild populations does any one have any information on them?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:10 pm


Tyris Stark
We can always manually pollinate, you know. Hell, it would give the whining jobless masses something to do.



OMG Manually pollinating millions and millions of rice, wheat, oats, beets, sugar cane, all the vegetables and fruits? I don't think we could do it.

Besides, by no means are all of the jobless masses whining. Many of American jobs have been shipped overseas where workers will accept pay that would not even support an American... pay like 10 dollars a day.

Not a very nice comment, and not a practical solution at all.

MustangDragon


MustangDragon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:14 pm


Jad-Hoven
I read through the articles and it does seem interesting. I have never trusted or liked cell phones(just look at what happens to a TV or Computer monitor if you leave on near it), but it does not seem consisten with the sudden depopulation.

Why would all of the bees die very suddenly in this year when they had been relativly ok in previous years. Why is it only happening in certain states, how is cell phone radiation messing up their permanent tracking capabilities, as opposed to temporary as the previous studies showed (I think to tired to look up sources right now will check tomorrow).

A new chemical, pesticide, or exotic disease seems more likely to me. Also of interest the articles only mention domesticated honey bees not wild populations does any one have any information on them?


I don't have any info on the wild bees, but I hope it stops the "African" variety.

As for reasons, those big electrical towers for lines have also been implicated in worker bees loosing track of their home hive.

I'm sure it is some combination of disease, the cell phones, electrical wires and towers, chemicals and pesticides.

So, it seems most of the effect is man made. And we'd best get on it, finding the cause and fixing it. Soon!
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