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 Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:12 pm
I've heard a few people say, while debating abortion, "What would Jesus say"(no offense to people of different religons/non-religous people) so i decided 2 hear what every1 thinks Jesus would say. Have fun
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:19 pm
I've explained this. Its either in the ED of the PLG, or the GD...i forget. COnsiderign the subject I would think it to be the PLGED
Hokay, Jesus would infact be against abortion. Jesus was a jew, and the jews (with written proof form histroy and seperat rabinacle text) were vahemetly against abortion (unless it was condoned by God. Yes, there is atleast one instance were God called for infanticide...or was it some one else thinking what would happen? I forget, I think Lymelady knows though)
HOWEVER! I think Jesus would be quick to forgive those involved with the abortion, be they wanting of forgiveness or not.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:08 am
Yeah
The Bible clearly equates abortion with murder, however, it also equates hating someone (the Greek is more similar to wishing them dead then a modern definition of hate) with murder. Also, Jesus is recorded as forgiving a prostitute, and making a habit out of ministering to them and having dinner with them. i don't know what you guys know about history and what not, but there were no rubbers back then, so chances are a person who is a regular prostitute in Biblical times would have had at least one abortion.
It's the age old principle of hate the error, but love the person who made it. Help them learn from it, and forgive them. Pretty much Christianity in a nutshell really.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:07 pm
I have it on good faith he'd say turnips. Source
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:09 pm
I'm a bible-freak and since Jesus was a Jew he followed the laws of leviticus where it clearly states, I don't remember the exacts, that "He who hits a woman and her child in the womb shall be put to death" and just for making a point of the rape thing "He who takes an unmarried womans virginity away shall pay for the price of a bride"
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:19 pm
I'm not Christian, however i remember hearing "Jesus loves the little children" once or twice
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:07 am
I, personally, wish that more people stayed a bit more away from religion when arguing abortion.
As cool a guy as Jesus was, there are some who disregard the stuff he said that what he stood for as just Christian propaganda.
But if you back your argument with ethics and science, then not even an atheist pro-choicer can refute that [no offense to atheists].
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But, for the sake of the topic, I'd say Jesus would probably say something warm and consoling to the women who have gotten abortions, and then give them all a hug.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:37 pm
Riligion in a debate is prefectly fine. I think Lyme, Myself, and I.Am might have discussed this awhile back. Basicly, it comes down to debating for reasons why some one may be pro-choice or pro-life. Riligion, if you follow one, is a perfectly valid area to argue from.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:33 am
Tiger of the Fire Riligion in a debate is prefectly fine. I think Lyme, Myself, and I.Am might have discussed this awhile back. Basicly, it comes down to debating for reasons why some one may be pro-choice or pro-life. Riligion, if you follow one, is a perfectly valid area to argue from. Well as a Catholic I have to say that you shouldn't because, no offense to anyone, the world has been turned away from christianity and wants us basically all gone! Here are some arguments from 'Fighting The Enemy AKA Pro-Choicers' Mouse of Water This is a religious issue and you have no right to force your beliefs on other people. Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries!A person does not have to be religious to say it’s wrong to murder a child, any more than they have to be religious to say it’s wrong to steal money. Just because many pro-lifers are motivated by religious beliefs does not make abortion a religious issue. Remember, the civil rights movement was often led by pastors and headquartered in churches, but that didn’t make civil rights a religious issue. To say that abortion should be off limits to the law because most pro-life people are Christians, is as illogical as saying we should do away with laws against theft because one of the Ten Commandments is, “Thou shalt not steal.” If we are going to start rejecting laws simply because they are supported by religion, given that there is hardly anything illegal which is not also prohibited by Scripture, then we will have to do away with all of our laws. As for the ovary issue, we pro-lifers are as indifferent to our opponents’ ovaries, as we are to their spleens, gall bladders, and tonsils. Mouse of Water The Bible does not condemn abortion and Jesus never spoke out against it.To suggest that the Bible is silent on abortion is a lie. In both the Old and New Testaments, the language used to describe born and unborn people is the same. For example, in Luke 1:41, the unborn John the Baptist is called a “brephos” which means “babe” or “baby” in Greek. Then, in the very next chapter, the born Jesus is also called a “brephos.” We are also told that Elizabeth’s baby leapt in her womb upon being in the presence of Mary. Should we conclude that this makes no statement about the unborn? If so, and if the Bible is silent on abortion, then it is logical to also conclude that Scripture is indifferent about whether these women would have aborted Jesus and John the Baptist. After all, by pro-choice reasoning, at this point they didn’t even exist. (A few Scriptural references to the unborn include: Genesis 25:22-24; Job 31:15; Psalm 22:9-10; Psalm 139:13-16; Jeremiah 1:5; Hosea 12:2-3; Luke 1:15; Luke 1:41; and Exodus 21:22-24.) Moreover, not every word Jesus uttered is recorded in Scripture so there is no way to know whether He ever addressed abortion or not. We should also remember that there is no record of Jesus ever speaking out against slavery – a point which apologists for slavery routinely made. In fact, most of our laws relate to behaviors which neither Jesus nor the Bible specifically addressed.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:03 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:16 pm
i know this is some what off topic but i have to say this first. Stop calling all beliefs religions!!!! a religion involves rituals and the need to do this or the need to do that. Some of us do what we do because we want to serve God. we are not religious. we are simply christians. thankyou.
ok back to the topic!
Jesus would have been against abortion. He loved the children he would not have wanted them to be harmed. also on a comment siad before. people do not recieve forgiveness against their will. it isn't an automatic thing. one must forgive in order to be forgiven.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:54 pm
Uh... Christianity is a religion. A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe -usually- involving ritual observances. Christians believe in an almighty God who created the Universe for some not-entirely-known purpose, and that His Son Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins. So that would make Christianity a religion. Now, if you only believed that Jesus' teachings are a good foundation for living a good life, that is a belief rather than a religion. But it would take a very flexible definition of Christianity to call you a Christian, as even Muslims and Jews and, hell, even some atheists typically believe that Jesus was a good man whose teachings were good and worth following.
But back on point, er, this seems an irrelevant point to me as others have pointed out. Obviously, any Christians in here would say that Jesus is against abortion, any non-Christians would either agree or wouldn't give a care either way, and the Pro-Choicers would be in the PL/PC subforum so they don't matter.
And as far as religion in the debate, I believe that religion is a perfectly good reason to be Pro-Life, but a very bad debate foundation as it is subjective; Those of other religions don't care how your religion feels about it. If you are debating solely among Christians it would be fine, but in the greater scheme of things it's silly to debate from such a position, and weakens the cause as it strengthens the view that Pro-Lifers are just Bible thumping fundamentalists who believe that abortion is wrong because "Jesus says so."
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:04 pm
Tiger of the Fire I've explained this. Its either in the ED of the PLG, or the GD...i forget. COnsiderign the subject I would think it to be the PLGED Hokay, Jesus would infact be against abortion. Jesus was a jew, and the jews (with written proof form histroy and seperat rabinacle text) were vahemetly against abortion (unless it was condoned by God. Yes, there is atleast one instance were God called for infanticide...or was it some one else thinking what would happen? I forget, I think Lymelady knows though) HOWEVER! I think Jesus would be quick to forgive those involved with the abortion, be they wanting of forgiveness or not. I agree, God will forgive everyone. You like the person, ou don't like the thing they did.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:16 pm
I think jesus would be sad with the laws that passed in South Dakota personally.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:57 pm
I'm not really religous but I'll give my two cents.
I'm pretty sure he would be agaist abortion (after all, one of the commandments is-thou shall not kill-though there may be exceptions to that), but he would probably forgive the women that had one done.
I believe the saying is "love the person, not the sins or things they do".
Also, I don't think this was meant to be a debate but for something fun and get others opinions, so relax.
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