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glorybaby

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:17 pm


[edit] This thread is NOT just about sickeningly skinny models and overweight people. It's more than about weight. It's about different advertising techniques and personal stories and discussion. The article presented is to help kick us off.

If you have disagreements, present them KINDLY and constructively.


You turn into a flippin' screaming person and I'll tell on you ^.^



[original] The excerpt is about how women (and men) are portrayed in advertising and how products are sold to them. It's quite sickening...All a big mind game to screw with our heads and sell crap. Grrr...

I got the following from http://www.tc.umn.edu/~rein0012/5472.NMedia/Mod6.Ad/propaganda.html




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Advertising and the Beauty Industry

Advertising also promotes a whole range of products associated with the beauty industry, who target early adolescent females with idealized notions and models of femininity achieved through these products. Drawing on a discourse of femininity, advertising attempts to create a
sense of inadequacy-that one is imperfect without a certain product. It also attempts to establish a sense of membership in imaginary communities of consumption with others, a "synthetic personalization" with a mass audience treated as an individual "you" to create a "synthetic sisterhood."

The video, What a Girl Wants, (video clip):
http://mediaed.org/videos/MediaGenderAndDiversity/WhatAGirlWants/studyguide/html
documents the ways in which advertising using celebrity females such as Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Mandy Moore and Jessica Simpson to promote these idealized images of femininity for females to emulate.

Jean Kilbourne, a leading critic of these ads, in her Killing Us Softly3 video (video clip):
http://mediaed.org/videos/MediaGenderAndDiversity/KillingUsSoftly3/studyguide/html

and the video, Slim Hopes (video clip):
http://mediaed.org/videos/MediaGenderAndDiversity/SlimHopes
makes the following points in the teacher's guide accompanying the Killing Us Softly3 video:

- Because of the prevalence of advertising in our culture, the sheer amount of cultural space it occupies, it is crucial to examine and understand the stories advertising tells us about femininity and what it means to be a woman.
- In addition to products, advertising attempts to sell women the myth that they can, and should, achieve physical perfection to have value in our culture.
- As advertising pushes its objects, it turns women's bodies into objects, often dismembering them with excessive focus on just one part of the body to sell a product.
- Advertisers themselves acknowledge that they sell more than products, that the images in advertising are designed to affect the way we see our lives.
- Men and women inhabit very different worlds. Men's bodies are not routinely scrutinized, criticized and judged in the way that women's bodies are.
- There is a tremendous amount of contempt for women who don't measure up to the advertisers' ideal of beauty. This is particularly true for older women and women who are considered overweight.
- Media images of female beauty influence everyone. They influence how women feel about themselves, and they influence how men feel about the real women in their lives.
- Little girls and teenagers are increasingly sexualized in advertisements. A growing number of ads are reminiscent of child pornography.
- The negative and distorted image of women in advertising affects not only how men feel about women but also how men feel about anything labeled "feminine" in themselves.
- In general, human qualities are divided up, polarized, and labeled "masculine" and "feminine," with the "feminine" consistently devalued.
- In recent years, computer retouching has become a primary technique used by advertisers. Before photographs are published, they are digitally retouched to make the models appear perfect. Complexion is cleaned up, eye lines are softened, chins, thighs and stomachs are trimmed, and neck lines are removed. Computers can even create faces and bodies of women who don't exist.
- The objectification of women in advertisements is part of a cultural climate in which women
are seen as things, as objects.
- Turning a human being into a thing is almost always the first step toward justifying
violence against that person.
- Most women who have had breast implants lose sensation in their breasts, so their breasts
become an object of someone else's pleasure rather than pleasurable in themselves. The
woman literally moves from being a subject to being an object.
- As girls reach adolescence, they get the message that they should not be too powerful,
should not take up too much space. They are told constantly that they should be less than
what they are.
- At least 1 in 5 young women in America today has an eating disorder.
- One recent study of fourth grade girls found that 80% of them were on diets.
- Twenty years ago, the average model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today,
the average model weighs 23% less than the average woman.
- Only 5% of women have the body type (tall, genetically thin, broad-shouldered, narrow-
hipped, long-legged and usually small-breasted) seen in almost all advertising. (When the
models have large breasts, they've almost always had breast implants.)
- The obsession with thinness is used to sell cigarettes.
- 4 out of 5 women are dissatisfied with their appearance.
- Almost half of American women are on a diet on any given day.
- 5-10 million women are struggling with serious eating disorders.
- The American food industry spends $36 billion on advertising each year.
- Women's magazines are full of ads for rich foods and recipes.
- Eating has become a moral issue. Words such as "guilt" and "sin" are often used to sell
food.
- Americans spend more than $36 billion dollars on dieting and diet-related products each
year.
- 95% of all dieters regain the weight they lost, and more, within five years.
- Articles about the dangers of diet products are often contradicted by advertisements for
diet products within the same magazine.
- Sex is frequently used to sell food. Many ads eroticize food and normalize bingeing. These
ideas support dangerous eating-disordered behaviors.
- There are many images in advertising that silence women - images that show women with
their hands over their mouths and other visuals, as well as copy, that strip women of their
voices.
- The body language of young women and girls in advertising is usually passive and
vulnerable. Conversely, the body language of men and boys is usually powerful, active and
aggressive.
- When girls are shown with power in advertising, it is almost always a very masculine
definition of power.
- Often the power that women are offered in advertising is silly and trivial.
- Women are often infantilized in advertisements, producing and reinforcing the sense that
they should not grow up, resist becoming a mature sexual being, and remain little girls.
- Advertisements rarely feature women over the age of 35, and there are many
advertisements for beauty products that claim to help women continue to look young, even
when they no longer are.
- Increasingly, advertisements show women as victims of sexual harassment and violence.
- Violence against women is normalized by advertisements.
- Women live in a world defined by the threat of sexual violence and intimidation. The
portrayal of women in advertising supports, rather than objects to, these threats.
- Masculinity in advertising is often linked with violence, brutality and ruthlessness. Men are
constantly portrayed as the perpetrators of violence.
- Violence, hostility and dominance are often presented as erotic, attractive and appealing in
advertising.



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There's a bit more to this article. See the link at the top for the rest. I just thought this part was the most informing.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:50 pm


I admit I am not as healthy as I should be. I'm not one to take something I see on tv, on the internet or in a magazine at face value. So even though I know I could be eating better for myself it's not because I'm guilty or I wish I fit the world's twisted sense of beauty. I'm happy with myself. I do things for me and don't follow trends like a brainless lemming. One girl told me "That's what fat people say.". She went home with a crushed nose and ego. stare

crystalsmuse
Captain


The Great Lion
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:09 pm


You know what all that is? More propaganda AGAINST propaganda! I object to this vapant excuse for meddling protestation on behalf of disgruntled ugly people. You want to know the real evil here? The person posting the drivvel about adds and TV and the like. What is it accomplishing? It does no more than scare a consumer for all of 15 seconds before they no longer are interested in the subject matter and leave the site.

And how EXACTLY do these people expect oil companies and fashion companies to advertise? By showing overwieght nobodies in their underwear? I don't want to look at that, I don't know anyone who does. Its a smart marketing ploy that pisses people off because they aren't a size C-cup, because they don't look like Jessica Simpson or Gerard Butler. And oil companies don't need to advertise, people NEED gas, more so than air it seems. They simply try to gain a wider customer base, how they do it is up to them.

The thing that bothers me most is that all people EVER do is b***h and gripe about s**t like this. WHINE WHINE WHINE! Get over yourself, if you think your fat and ugly, work out and see a dermatologist. Don't like how pollution is causing global warming? Then form a group and petition against fuel burning machines and demand cleaner devices. Don't like how in 30 some years Africa won't have a population? Then get down there and build some schools, feed some kids, make a better African why don't you? Take the damn guns away, be a scientist and cure AIDS. But for f*ck sakes DON'T b***h and gripe! Nobody cares, and those who do, will eventually NOT care.

It bugs the crap out of me when I see s**t like this, because it serves absolutely NO purpose. That lazy moron whose probably got low self-esteem and who actually took the time to write about how women might feel when they see these adds instead of actually going out and getting fit, what's wrong with getting fit? Everyone seems to have something against fit people, I don't, I applaud them, why? BEcause they're in great physical condition and work to keep at it. If people want to b***h out celebrities and ad companies because they don't like their policies then they can just shut themself away in a whole eating canned carrots for the rest of their lives if I care.

Frig...

the Lion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:39 am


I take it this is one of your pet peeves? xp

Very strong and persuasive opinion, I might say.

crystalsmuse
Captain


The Great Lion
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:15 pm


Its the general kind of thing that gets to me, the topic to is one I used to heavily debate back in high school on the debate team.

the Lion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:38 pm


"Vapant" isn't a word, according to dictionary.com...


How could companies sell their products other than using sickly, tall, long legged models? Well, Advertising companies could use realistic, normal weight models. Ones who are NORMAL looking. stare 'Cause ya know...not everyone who isn't a model is overweight. And I would LOVE to see some fat people modeling. They don't have to show their flap. They can just wear complimenting clothing.


While looking for sources for a paper I'm doing I found out that women don't even like "sexy" models. We like wholesome looking people, like (the example that was given) Katie Holmes. Notice her boobs aren't all that big, legs all that long, cleavage is minimal, but she is kinda thin...And yet, for some reason companies haven't realized we women like this wholesome look and cling to their nasty sex driven, skinny, long legged models (The companies be run by men ^.^ What to men like to look at? ...I am not answering that. It'll piss me off stare )

Here's that site... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14718560/


I shame you for categorizing people as merely overweight and thin *points shaming finger* Yeah, there are a lot of overweight people in the US that could use some exercise and better food, but not EVERYONE is overweight. Those models are usually underweight and sickly. Thin doesn't mean healthy. And what's the point to be healthy? Maybe so we don't get SICK and we live longer, more quality lives. Not so we're not an eyesore to people. stare


There are many kinds of people ^.^ Fat people, short people, super tall people, muscular people, normal looking people, dorky people, every people.

I shame you even more for calling people UGLY! We are all beautiful in our own ways! crying


Clarification: The article (which I really wouldn't call an article) is not just about weight. It contains info on women, advertising, advertising tactics and portrayal of the two sexes in advertising.

Here, I lifted some so you can see them without the weight crap in the way stare


- As girls reach adolescence, they get the message that they should not be too powerful,
should not take up too much space. They are told constantly that they should be less than
what they are.
- There are many images in advertising that silence women - images that show women with
their hands over their mouths and other visuals, as well as copy, that strip women of their
voices.
- The body language of young women and girls in advertising is usually passive and
vulnerable. Conversely, the body language of men and boys is usually powerful, active and
aggressive.
- When girls are shown with power in advertising, it is almost always a very masculine
definition of power.
- Often the power that women are offered in advertising is silly and trivial.
- Women are often infantilized in advertisements, producing and reinforcing the sense that
they should not grow up, resist becoming a mature sexual being, and remain little girls.
- Masculinity in advertising is often linked with violence, brutality and ruthlessness. Men are
constantly portrayed as the perpetrators of violence.
- Violence, hostility and dominance are often presented as erotic, attractive and appealing in
advertising.


I am a girl ^.^ Duh. And I have first-hand experience with the "should not be too powerful, should not take up too much space" thing. Also, I've had a lot of experience with "girls should be quiet and passive and let them rowdy men be in charge." (That one's mine)

If you deny masculinity is linked to violence, brutality and ruthlessness, then I would say you've been living under rock ^.^ Just go watch some movies and TV shows. You'll get the picture. And if you deny violence, hostility and dominance are not thought of as being attractive and appealing, then go watch some more movies and TV shows. Movies glorify violence a lot of the time. The hero defeats and controls the hostility, dominating the bad guys....and they get the girl a lot stare

So, while men are all glorified and attractive with their big muscles and awesome fighting and saving the day, the women are left devalued. We are stuffed into cold, sexy clothes with our boobs hanging out to get male attention, in a corner of a tower waiting for our knight in shining armor to come "save" us.

I do admit there are some more TV shows and movies where the women are more powerful and the guys less "powerful," and it makes me happy ^.^


...And the article had nothing to do with starving children. You flipped out waaaay too much *pats*


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SAVE THE WHALES!

glorybaby


glorybaby

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:31 pm


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Looky!

"A study released last month in the journal Psychological Science appeared to show that what we think is attractive, or beautiful, is whatever requires the least amount of effort.....

Sexiness and eroticism are very powerful human stimuli, but as it turns out they’re not good for selling much of anything other than sex. Sure, sex sells itself. The adult sex industry is proof of that. But sex does not seem to do a very good job at selling other products like beer, cars or home loans.

When we see something sexy, it can jam up what Vanderbilt University psychologist David Zald calls “a bottleneck for information processing.” If we see a naked woman or man or a couple in a sexy pose, we can go mentally “blind” for a short period. This appears to be instinctive. We can’t help it."


Also...

"For a study published in the journal Perception last year, scientists put adults and children to the attractiveness test and found that “a highly attractive face facilitates quick and accurate sex classification.” In other words, the more average a woman’s face was, the more attractive it seemed."

And women are smart mrgreen


"Scientists at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis exposed hundreds of women to a variety of imagery, including violent and erotic imagery, and they consistently found that erotic imagery provoked the most powerful responses, even more powerful than the violent imagery.

The women’s brains processed the erotic images about 20 percent faster than any other type, and they appeared to be processed in entirely different brain structures. It was just so fast, so innate, so easy.

Such studies may help put the lie to the idea that women are not as “visual” as men when it comes to sexy pictures. They might be, but they might also have been so conditioned by society to reject such imagery that when asked for a subjective answer, they say they aren’t turned on by it."



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Heh...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15098830/
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:25 am


Vapant is a word, it mean completely devoid of meaning, google it.

Now, you obviously don't understand advertising. If you're a multi-billion dollar company, you want to stay that way. If your product is clothing, you put your clothing on hot, sexy people, which gives the buyer the impression that if you wear this, you too are sexy and hot. That's the whole underlying theme here, it isn't rocket science. Its the same with colognes, perfume, beer, you name it they've stuck it in, on, under, over a tall, thin sexy model. Is this fair? Yes. How is it fair? Because they are by no means subjecting fat and ugly people to slander or prejudice, they are simply excluding them, which is not illegal nor is it immoral.

And of course women don't like sexy models, have you ever talked to a woman before? My girl friend hates most women who are more beautiful than her, and of course I get bitched at because heaven forbid my eyes drift. Its an attention thing, women want guys eyes on THEM, not the other girl. Most women, hate of women because THEY want to be the center of attention. Its been that way for thousands of years especially when women had no rights and men ruthlessly fought over the prettiest thing in the castle, village, hamlet, etc. Secretly though, they don't mind, because if they see a gorgeous woman wearing Versaci then they know that hey, that woman looks hot in that, if I want something that makes me look like that, I'll buy those. You are quite clearly missing the psychological aspect of advertising which is sad because if you aren't versed at least a little in the social and internal workings of the target audience you really have no argument.

Shame on me? Then what should I call a fat guy or gall? Or someone who looks like the wind should carry them away the next time it breezes by? There are a lot of overwieght people in Canada too, not nearly as many, but being one myself, am trying to change that. I personally don't think thin people are healthy, and neither does the National Modelling Commission, or whatever group it is. They've raised the required weight for models because many of them were dying or becoming sickly and extremely unhealthy. I don't know what your argument is about the whole being healthy rant, I do my best to eat and act healthy, so do a lot of people, but a lot of other people don't. I could care less if someone is an eyesore, I can choose where my eyes look, that's the amazingness of eyes, you tell them not to look at the sweaty human blob or walking plank of wood and bam! You look at something else. Point?

Oh stop the shaming, ugly is a matter of opinion. And in my opinion, I've seen some hella ugly things in my time, and not all of them weren't people. This is where debate and opinion cross, the fact I think people are ugly is my opinion, you can't argue an opinion, you could if you stated why no one is ugly, but saying "we're all beautiful in our own eyes" isn't even an opinion to argue with. And not even a viable fact since most people, including myself, think themselves horrid and ugly creatures, and some of them, like myself, actively try and change that opinion.

And whose denying the violent, overt affects of testosterone? Women have it too, you ever been to a Women's Prison? HAve you ever even seen to women martial artists go at it? The fact your targetting movies and TV is a biased attack on the male species. You target one medium, what about books? God knows how many books I've read with a female protagonist who in all actuality GETS THE GUY. And glorified violence in a time where the world is in a state of constant cold war syndrome? Like, are you living under a rock? Seriously, be a bit more objective please. And violence has always been glorified, way back before England had knights the Chinese were butchering each other like sheep in the name of martial pride and status, and before them the roaming tribes of Africa warred with one another over game and sang songs after battle emphasising who the best and strongest warriors were. Battle Fever, as I call it, has been around since the beginning of time when cave men hunted wild, huge animals. The fact it still goes on today is no surprise, we've been doing it for what? 15-20,000 years?

As for the studies of the attractiveness article, I do and don't agree. I agree about the second half how women are conditioned to not feel certain things like eroticism toward just about anything, primp and propper darling is how you must act. I think its sad really, the world is so devoid of outgoing erotic women, real ones anyway, we should get on that as a society! Pronto!

As for the sexual advertising, my friend last year did a study on campus on the same thing and found that the hotter the models on the commercial or add the more they wanted it. He tested 500+ students and 95% of them said that they liked having hot and sexy people advertising the product because it made them feel a want to buy it so that other people if they saw the add would associate them, who are using the product, with the guy or gal selling the product. Its simple image/word association, if you see some ripped and sexy guy advertising mens cologne, and the next day you encounter a guy who is wearing that cologne, your brain flips back to the image of that original sexy guy. This is how we learned how to read and identify objects when we were children, advertising companies simply do the same thing.

Anyway, enough babbling.

the Lion

The Great Lion
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