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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:10 am
this argument bothers me. it just seems selfish. Abortion does not effect me personally, no. I have never been aborted, nor have i had a woman pregnant who had an abortion. But my stance is not about myself and what i gain. we can turn this argument around.
it is clear that the choicers have much to gain from being pro-choice. financially, sexually, and dodging responsibility. but what do we have to gain? nothing but the satisfaction of saving lives. we have nothing to gain for ourselves, we fight for others. they have everything to gain, and they fight for themselves.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:24 am
divineseraph this argument bothers me. it just seems selfish. Abortion does not effect me personally, no. I have never been aborted, nor have i had a woman pregnant who had an abortion. But my stance is not about myself and what i gain. we can turn this argument around. it is clear that the choicers have much to gain from being pro-choice. financially, sexually, and dodging responsibility. but what do we have to gain? nothing but the satisfaction of saving lives. we have nothing to gain for ourselves, we fight for others. they have everything to gain, and they fight for themselves. Exactly. What is better, to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves, or to fight for the right to be selfish and destructive?
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:11 am
That's actually pretty much bullshit.
Say to a man whose child has been aborted that he wasn't affected by it. Go on, tell that man who shot himself over his girlfriend killing his child that he wasn't affected by it.
Say that to parents who just found out they were grandparents...who lost their grandchild to abortion.
Say that to someone whose friend, relative, or partner was almost aborted.
Abortion affects us just as much as other things that kill people off young. Do miscarriages not affect people? "Sure everyone wanted the baby but they'll get over it because it wasn't a person!" Way to trivialize peoples' feelings.
What they're saying is, "Abortion doesn't affect me personally because I don't see them as people, and I can't put myself in the position of other people."
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:20 am
Nope, nothing to gain, and everything to lose. If I get pregnant, I'll--GASP--have to go through nine months of pregnancy.
Just like if I go to some fast food place I "have" to order fries or a milkshake or something.
And if I'm driving and there's a cat in my way, I "have" to slow down.
If I want to build a house in a certain spot, and it's occupied by wetland, I "have" to pick another place.
I don't care that I'm limiting myself, because I'm doing the right thing. I don't want a choice that involves killing something anyways.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:29 pm
yes, it effect people that way. but... it does not hurt them more than their feelings for the child. in the same way, we are effected by every one, every child killed. it hurts us, yes. but aside from ending the pain of someone being killed, we have nothing o gain. no money, no rights for US. which is exactly my point. We fight for others.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:50 pm
Has anyone ever thought of reversing the question?
"How does birth affect us?"
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:31 am
Akshamala Has anyone ever thought of reversing the question?
"How does birth affect us?" You. Are. A. Genius. heart I'm totally pulling that on them next time. I can't wait to see the babbling response I get.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:32 pm
Akshamala Has anyone ever thought of reversing the question?
"How does birth affect us?" More like "How does pregnancy affect us (/them)?" But the problem is that being pro-life and pro-choice are not really opposites. If someone was actually pro-abortion, it would make sense to ask how pregnancy and birth affect them. (they're out there, on Gaia and elsewhere! And when I pointed one out I got attacked. Go figure... rolleyes ) Abortion affects me, at least, the same way executions affect me, the same way whaling affects me, the same way dogfighting and breaking the Geneva Convention affect me. I'm not the one being harmed, but I'll stand up for those who are, because what's being done to them is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:42 pm
Besides killing off my generation, and leaving the rest of us to fix the mistakes of adults, and care for said adults in their old age?
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:32 pm
I have friends who've had abortions, or say they will if they get pregnant, and my views on it, I try to present to them without offending them.
It's difficult, though, and it sometimes makes for a delicate situation. The subject is usually avoided, though, with my friends, because they know we disagree.
Abortion has not affected me personally, but it's painted my worldview on things. A lot of things, really.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:48 pm
How does abortion affect me?
Wow I never thought of that.
I guess I should be a little more selfish, huh?
I mean, I should take that logic:
If it doesn't affect me, I don't give a damn! biggrin
Yet some of the same people who ask that question (HOW DOES ABORTION AFFECT YOU?) seem to be... how shall I say... "tough on fetuses, soft on terrorists" when it comes to the whole deal going on in Iraq. What I mean to say is, they complain about the "war" and innocent citizens being killed. Well, that doesn't affect them, now does it? So why do they care? rolleyes
Obviously, if you think something is wrong, you're going to stand up for what you believe in.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:58 pm
divineseraph this argument bothers me. it just seems selfish. Abortion does not effect me personally, no. I have never been aborted, nor have i had a woman pregnant who had an abortion. But my stance is not about myself and what i gain. we can turn this argument around. it is clear that the choicers have much to gain from being pro-choice. financially, sexually, and dodging responsibility. but what do we have to gain? nothing but the satisfaction of saving lives. we have nothing to gain for ourselves, we fight for others. they have everything to gain, and they fight for themselves. Yes, abortion affects me personally. All the babies that were aborted 20 years ago were potential brides for me that never lived to see daylight. That's how abortion affects me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:32 pm
FreeArsenal divineseraph this argument bothers me. it just seems selfish. Abortion does not effect me personally, no. I have never been aborted, nor have i had a woman pregnant who had an abortion. But my stance is not about myself and what i gain. we can turn this argument around. it is clear that the choicers have much to gain from being pro-choice. financially, sexually, and dodging responsibility. but what do we have to gain? nothing but the satisfaction of saving lives. we have nothing to gain for ourselves, we fight for others. they have everything to gain, and they fight for themselves. Yes, abortion affects me personally. All the babies that were aborted 20 years ago were potential brides for me that never lived to see daylight. That's how abortion affects me. Don't worry, there are still pleanty more women out there that can be potential brides, just like I know there are plenty of men that can be potential boyfriends for me. So far it hasn't affected me personally but that still doesn't make it right.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:28 pm
Because it cuts off my food supply. sad Everyone knows that's why we want abortion illegal! We males of the Pro-Life species eat our young, and legalized abortion limits the number available. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:52 pm
sachiko_sohma Don't worry, there are still pleanty more women out there that can be potential brides, just like I know there are plenty of men that can be potential boyfriends for me. So far it hasn't affected me personally but that still doesn't make it right. Eh? I was just pushing forth that anyone can take it personally one way or another. Even someone who will never have an abortion in his life, or have an opportunity to get one done on himself.
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