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Does anybody know if Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation comes on anymore, and if so, on what network?

Talking about crossovers. A while back, around 3 years ago, before the new cartoon came out, I was watching an episode of Power Rangers. (No, I actually hate those shows with passion) Well, in this episode, they needed help fighting I-don't-know-what.... Well, who pops out in the screen? TAA-DAA! It's the TMNT!

That scared the hell outta me. Seriously. eek

O.o Seriously? Were they like are in the live action movies? That is freaky... Do you remember which Power Rangers season it was?

... *has researched* OMG.. Guys, the Power Rangers/TMNT crossover is real! eek

http://www.rovang.org/wg/tmnt.htm

This is hilarious!

eek

I almost fear for my sanity... xp

lol I feel the same way.

eek I am in shock as well! I would have never known that there was a Power Rangers/TMNT crossover in a million years... I should like to see this episode if ever possible! Mabye there is a download somewhere on the net. Never was a big fan of the Power Rangers... just another cartoon/action show when I was young. Thanks for sharing this, Rey!

Weird, I don't remember a female turtle. But this happened around 2 years ago so I don't remember much.


When I thought a female turtle I thought of the name "Paola" which is an italian name, and I -think- a saint too. She uses a black face mask (light blue is ridiculus! Too similiar to Leo's, well, at least it's not pink..) due to because in ying-yang females go with darkness and negative energy, so I think black would be the best color since it represents females. And the mask would be tied into a bow but with enough to go down long.

Since when is this 'pouch' a weapon?
Let me tell you something, I hate damsels in distress.
What I was thinking for a weapon was those ninja claws I saw in http://weaponmasters.com (click on the logo, go to shopping, and go to ninja equipment, and then click on ninja claws) That I find a good weapon. Nice and sharp too. ^^

Yes, maybe I thought on this too much...

Rey, I don't suppose you remember the live action TMNT series? It only lasted about one season because the idea didn't go over well with viewers. Well, they created a female turtle specifically for that show. Her name was Venus de Milo, and I have no idea why they chose to name her after an actual piece of sculpture.

They created a little story of her background, saying she was the fifth turtle in the bowl. That when they all fell into the sewer, and landed in the mutangen, Venus somehow got separated from the others. They also put in the fact she was not related to them, so's to give the loophole to have a potential love between one of the four brothers.
Giving her light blue as her color was stupid. Blue is Leo's color, and Leo's only. I think yellow would have suited her.

The show was really stupid, and just about everyone thought it was too weird because of Venus. She was grossly out of place.


d, I hate the Power Rangers with a passion, but when I found that crossover was actually true, I nearly died laughing. I laughed for ten minutes straight before I could compose myself.

I'm going to see if any of it is at the official site.

Well, this is quite odd. I found nothing mentioned of a PR, and TMNT crossover. I would have thought they would have at least something.

I wrote to them of what I found, so I think this problem will be solved soon enough.

Was there any luck with you contacting the TMNT site director, and telling him about the TMNT/Power Rangers crossover?

I did contact the site. Someone by the name of Dan Berger replied, and told me it was nice that I brought it to their attention, but they couldn't do anything about it because they don't have the permission, or copyrights, it was one of those two, of Power Rangers to use that information.

I really don't know... I deleted the e-mail accidentally, so I don't have the actual words that he said. But it confused me by what he said because wouldn't the Power Rangers' producers have to get permission to use the TMNT characters from the Next Mutation series? Unless the copyrights were bought by Power Rangers, and somehow I doubt see that happening. I would've thought that it'd be legitimate to put up on the official TMNT site. Guess not.

On a related side note, a friend of mine has the episode recorded on tape. She watched over the weekend, and told me that it was done really well, despite how poorly the acutal Mutation series was.

Ah, Dan the man, eh? He's a cool guy, I've spoken with him a few times in the past. What's funny is that his name is very similar to mine! He has been in the production of the TMNT comics for quite some time now and has helped out with drawing the art in many issues. Sorry that it didn't go too well, regarding the copyrights thing... They're just so strict about that stuff. But your thoughts that it should be OK to host the crossover sounds like it should have worked! You're right, Power Rangers had to get permission to use the TMNT characters from the Next Mutation series, and it makes sense that the TMNT creators should have the right to host a simple review of this crossover on the site. Or mabye it was a "one-time deal." That confuses me as well... Maybe they're just playing lazy... whee

You have a friend who has this episode on tape? eek Wow! I wish there was some way to make a copy and send it! Mabye a digital videocamera would do the trick, but I doubt it would work...

I never saw the live-action show.

Even though I think I'd like Paola better than Venus. I do like the female turtle idea only if she knew how to fight and had a good personality.
And I think black is the best. As I said before. Black is a feminine color in the ying-yang thingy. I don't like yellow idea (I thought about it myself) since it's a color very similiar to Mike's and Raph's. Yes, giving blue to her was absurd because blue is Leo's color. My black idea is still going quite strong on that.

And what exactly was her, um, "weapon"?

I'm still going for the ninja claws though.


PS: I think it was from the series in which the red ranger was an alien and had blonde hair tied in a pony tail. And that's why he didn't feel so trusting.. Not completely sure though.

Go to www.ninjaturtles.com, and click TMNT TV. The show is called TMNT: The Next Mutation.

I'm not sure what her weapon was. It doesn't show it in her picture.

When I looked around for more info, I went to the TV Tome site, and I found it was actually from Power Rangers Space, sixth season. The episode was #254, titled "Shell Shocked." They had a short cameo appearance at the end of episode 253 "Save Our Ship" to set up for "Shell Shocked."

These episodes aired at the end of February '98.

Hmm... Mystic, I never knew anything about the female ninja turtle, Venus de Milo... but thanks for filling me in. I don't know what weapon she yielded either. I only remember the live action show in bits and pieces. I agree, light blue is Leo's color, and was a bad choice for Venus. Rey, I agree that black would look striking and would fit in with the dark, mysterious way of the ninja for her. Heh, I couldn't stand Power Rangers either growing up! But this crossover makes me want to check it out! I'll note the volume number/episode number and see if there's anything on eBay... you never know!

I just checked that out, that pic is really, really bad, it scares me. eek

Seems like they mixed too much fantasy in it! I definately did NOT like the plot. They should have been much more realistic.

we dragons are too darn sexy to die or be beaten! (ego alert!)

They introduced Venus well in it, but what about her personality? And where the heck is her weapon?

Is it just me, or did they give her breasts too? eek

As I said before. I completely support the female turtle idea, but it does need some perfection. I already stated the more physical stats. Black mask tied with a bow, a name coming from around the same time of around the rest of the turtles's names, and ninja claws.

I love comical stuff, so I would add a personality that can make things funny, I would add a personality that is normally peaceful, fun-loving and cheerful, but when angered has a temper that scares even the devil:

"I spent ALL MORNING cleaning your stupid little mess up! Now, just one hour later you four have to come here and make it look like a tornado passed by! From now on, you are cleaning YOUR OWN MESSES UP! And if I happen to hear one little complaint from any of you I'm going to kick your butts SO HARD I'll send you flying to the NEXT DIMENSION! So GET TO WORK NOW!"


And also whacking or/and slapping Mike and/or Raph when they need it. :

I agree it was just too farfetched, and the plot left something to be desired.
They gave her virtually no personality, and I don't think she even had a weapon.

Yes, they did give her breasts. *shudders*

*chuckles at the skit*

Ugh, I think I would have hated it too, they're not the cuddly turtles I know.. (Leo! heart )
And giving a reptile-like creature breasts is completely wrong, seriously! Especially when they're under a shell!
I hate it when they give a show with scientific explanations for basically everything fantasy-like plots.

Heh, somebody likes my skit. ^^

Heh, don't be offended, but I should like to see this female mutant turtle with breasts! This is getting strangely erotic... No, just kidding!

I liked your skit too, Rey!

I hate the TMNT live show. I find Power Rangers to be boring. I saw the Powers Rangers episode that featured the TMNT on TV a while ago. I saw a commercial for that episode a few days earlier. I already hated the Live Action Show & Power Rangers, but I felt like checking the crossover out anyways. It sucked.

Anyways, there shouldn't be a fifth turtle, male or female. The 4 brothers should be the only turtles ever to be mutated.

Hey drcoco! Well, thanks for clearing that up for us! Two words, "It sucked!" Heh, well I guess I won't be searching for this power rangers episode anytime soon... I never liked power rangers either... and Mystic hates them with a passion! We're all in cahoots!

Hey, here's a question: which one of the TMNT would you like to meet the most? I know I'd like to meet Mikey!

Great question. ^_^

Definitely Leonardo! heart

Same here! heart whee

There's something in him that makes me want to cuddle him I say!
cuddliness!

However you spell it..

Hmm... I'd like to meet Don the most out of the four, since he has vast knowledge of electronics and computers... Mabye he could help fix up some old gizmos and gadgets that have filled my garage! xd

I have another question: What would you do if you wound up in the turtles lair? Would you stay, run, or try to LIVE with them?

I'd stay, but maybe just a while. I don't think I could probably try to live with them. Especially not in the sewer.

Heh. Living with four boys would be messy.

I don't think I'd run, but I would probably leave. As much as I like 'em I'm not sure hanging out with them would be my bag.

First of all. I would think I'm dreaming. Go street level, go to my house and lay on my bed and try to wake up. Then I'd try looking for it again the next day to make sure I was dreaming. End up there again, talk to them, make friends, help them in what I can. And then do my stuff. Help Don in his projects. Whack Mike when he jokes around about a dangerous situation. Slap Raph across the face when he does something stupid getting himself in danger and give Leo the occasional cuddle. Even though keeping my own house, because if I pop out of nowhere trying to live with somebody even a mutant turtle would think I'm nuts.
This is why I support the female turtle idea.

What would I do? Hmm... I'd most likely stay for the night, get to know them, and make sure to grab a Shell Cell (phone) to contact them if ever need be! I couldn't last more than a night in the smelly sewers of NY... Probably not even a minute! I don't think I could offer them residence above ground, in my home, as April does... I think you can all agree with me on that one!

And yet another question: What kinds of crossovers would you like to see take place with the TMNT? I'd love to see a Harry Potter/TMNT crossover, or a Wolf's Rain/TMNT crossover!

Heh, no thanks, I don't need anymore TMNT crossovers! gonk I just think that they're fine by themselves, and any poorly executed crossovers don't go well with the hardcore fans. It is always a possibility, but the TMNT are doing well right now by themselves, and intervention from another series can spark flare with the fans.

On another note, I just stumbled upon another TMNT crossover comic book called "Usagi Yojimbo," which is the story of a warrior rabbit who fights on the side of good! Heh, it was sort of amusing, and this was a special one issue crossover that was made with approval of Eastman and Laird.

No more cross-overs. Not for a while at least. I liked the Harry Potter books, but I wouldn't like that crossover. Maybe 1 with Jackie Chan could work.

Okay, so everybody didn't seem to like the crossover question. Just answere me this: regardless of what other crossovers that the TMNT have been in, wouldn't the idea of a TMNT/Wolf's Rain crossover be kinda cool?

I've never seen Wolf's Rain, but I'm sure it would be plausible.

I've never seem Wolf's Rain either, so I don't know how it would be! If it can turn out nicely, then I'm all for it.

Nother Question! Is it possible for the turtles to wear clothes, what with those shells and all? No reason, I just wanna know smile !

Yes! It is very possible for the turtles to wear clothes... If you've seen the third action movie, TMNT 3, Mike wears baggy pants before using the scepter to travel back in time... Also, on the new cartoon show, there is an episode where they have to go "topside" and wear gangster clothes to blend in with the human folk! Finally, Raph sometimes wears a trenchcoat and hat when he sneaks around above the sewers.

Absolutely. 3nodding Ever seen the episode "Fallen Angel?" It's where they have to disguise themselves in human clothes to get inside the Purple Dragon headquarters to rescue Casey.

They wear clothes quite well, although Leo wondered how on Earth people could move in them. Since it seemed difficult for them to fight with them on.

In the older Mirage comics, they did have clothes for disguise. In the Michelangelo Christmas Special comic, "The Christmas Aliens", Michelangelo was decked out in full. Coat, scarf, mittens, pants, hat, and all.

So, yes, they can wear clothes.

The turtles can wear clothes. Remember in the classic cartoon, all the TMNT would wear trenchcoats & hats? In the new cartoon, Mikey was Turtle Titan for an episode; Mikey cracks me up.

Thanks, but what about shoes?

Seen the episode "Darkness on the Edge of Town"? Raphael is wearing in-line skates that can be retracted into shoes. Pretty sure judging from that they can indeed wear shoes.

Yep, seen that episode and wish I had Raph's skates! Actually, they do sell retractable sneakers/skates that have wheels underneath the sole at a shoe store near where I live. I wouldn't think they're too safe though... The wheels could pop out when you'd least expect them to, causing the individual to slip.

As for the turtles... mabye an orthopedic, custom-fitting, two-toed pair of shoes would be the catalyst. whee

What's that? Yep, you guessed it! Yet another mind-boggling question posted by good ol' Xanhast!

Are the turtles well trained in all weapon forms, or just the ones that they chose for themeselves? There was an episode that brought this up, but I can't remember what happened in it.

Yep. They are trained in each other's weapons.

This was brought up in the episode "What A Croc!" In this, a turtle-like robot was made that could scan each of the guys, copying their skills, and it would know what they would do before they did it, which for a while gave the robot the upperhand. Until Raphael asked Leonardo if he could borrow a katana, and thus he proceeded to wipe the floor with the robot using Leo's katana. The robot became confused because he did something different than what it previously scanned. In turn, Leonardo borrowed Donatello's Bo, and used it quite well. Although, Donny seemed a little clumsy with Raph's Sais, which he got in the weapons trade.

The robot was defeated.

Yep, you nailed Xanhast's question right on the mark! 3nodding I also remember an episode, where the turtles are sparring with eachother, each believing that they have the "superior weapon." When Leo defeats them with his katanas, he gets cocky and says "Double katanas are the only way to play." Splinter then demands that Leo attack him with his katana, and stops the blade with his bare hands! Then, he instructs Leo to attack with both katanas and disarms his pupil with an old, wooden walking stick! There was a moral learned by Leonardo, that a true ninjitsu warrior is a master of all things, not the "mightiness" of a katana. Later on in the episode, he fights Hun, and utilizes Master Splinter's advice. This doesn't directly answer your question, Xanhast, but it was just the first thing to come to mind. Mystic nailed it! whee

That was "The Shredder Strikes, Part One" episode. It was on yesterday.

Like you said, it starts off with them sparring. Raphael remarks "You know what I like best of weapons practice? The weapons." Then Mikey swings a nunchuck around one of Raph's Sais, and pulls, proceeding to hurl his older brother over his head to the floor. Mikey says "Too bad you're stuck with a couple of lame tooth-picks, and not a real weapon like the nunchucks."
Donatello comes in, and jabs Mikey in the chest with his Bo, knocking him flat. Donny answers "Sorry, Mikey, but the Bo Staff is where it's at."
Then Leonardo appears, and announces "Boys, put away the toys. Double Katana is the only the way to play." Then he takes all his brothers down in a few well executed strikes, which, suffice to say, they are not amused.
Leo smirks, and glances at the swords, crossing them. He tells his brothers "What did I tell you? Double Katana? Pretty sweet, huh?"
Donny sarcastically replies "Nice one, Leo." Raphael's only word is "lucky." Mikey answers that with "Not so lucky for my tail. It just got kicked."

Splinter walks in at that moment, and tells Leonardo he fought well. Then he asks him did he know why he won. Leo begins with that he has the superior weapons, and he once read where the sword master Musashi said "The Katana blade holds the soul of steel, and is the truest guide to the warrior's way", to which Leo said it was kind of how he felt.
Splinter answers "Many things are said, but few are true," and this floors Leonardo.

Donny, Raph, and Mikey knew what was about to happen, and they were pretty pleased with this. Mikey laughed, and Splinter asked him did he think he was funny. Mikey thought for a moment, and said he did, then tried to tell of a time when Splinter told the story of the ox, and the sparrow. Donatello looked mortified, and put a hand over his face. He finally elbowed Michelangelo hard in the chest to shut up. Mikey then changed his answer to Splinter to no. Splinter only replied with a disgruntled "Ahh." He finally turns to Leonardo, and as you said, d, demanded him to attack with his katana. Leo was hesitant, but Splinter commanded "Do it now!"
I was about as surprised as Leonardo was when Splinter stopped that blade with his bare hands. It was impressive.
Splinter asks him "Is this the great, and glorious weapon of which you speak? Helpless before an old rat such as myself?" He tells him to attack again with both. Splinter nonchalantly fends off the swords with just, as you mentioned, d, his walking stick, and disarms Leonardo flawlessly. Then Splinter takes the end of the stick to Leo's chin, and lifts his head up a bit. He tells him "In the hands of a true ninjitsu master, anything can be a deadly weapon. A weapon is only as good as the arm that wields it." He proceeds to toss the stick like a harpoon, and it goes all the way through the punching bag. He concludes with "Until you have learned this lesson, you have learned nothing." Leonardo gives a dejected sort of smile. You can tell the whole thing really hurt his pride, and you see that later when he's on his own topside.

But by the end of the episode, he really did learn the lesson. He truly understood, and he felt more humble of himself, and towards the katanas. Either with, or without them, his skills are impressive. After Hun managed to knock his swords away with the one that was rejected as an invitation and gift, Leo repeatedly kicked that 500lb muscle mountain of a man all the way to the skylight, and sent Hun crashing through. However, it did leave Leonardo a bit weak in his legs afterwards. Mikey, and Donny helped him to stand for a moment, while Raph fetched Leo's swords for him.

*laughs* Sorry for the long-winded reply there, but I wanted to highlight some things. Plus, it's the curse of being a writer. whee

Ha! Mystic, you practically did the whole scripting for that episode! I couldn't have said it better myself, very nicely written.

Does anybody think that Donny might be in love with April?

What makes you think that? xd I know of no conclusive evidence that suggests Donny is in love with April... although they do share a fascination for computers. (April worked for Stockman as a programmer or security or something before getting "fired.")

Hard to say, but there does seem to be a little something between them. I think because in a lot of ways, they're kindred spirits. In the episode "Modern Love, the Return of Nano", at the very end, April gives Donatello a kiss on the cheek.

Ah! I never saw that episode yet, that's probably why I didn't understand this Donny/April thing. Interesting though, I'll have to see this someday!

Would Raph likely attempt suicide?

*blinks* First of all, he's got three brothers who love him, and would stop him. Second, why on Earth would he?

Where on earth do you get these questions from? xd I don't think Raph would attempt to take his own life under any circumstances. He deals with his issues by taking them "topside" and would never turn them against himself. Also, as Mystic said, he has three brothers and Splinter who would never let him do harm to himself. Instead of turning his anger inward, he blows off steam by directing it at the Shredder, street gangs, thugs, etc... I would highly doubt he would ever commit suicide.

Okay, who agrees with this?

Casey Jones and April O'Neil are meant for each other.

Yes, that is the way I feel too. Although the fact that they remained separate at first made the story all the more interesting. I believe they got married shortly after Casey's relationship with Gabrielle ended, when Gabrielle passed away from the labor of childbirth. (Casey's daughter is named Shadow).

Oh, so that's who Shadow is. I have been wondering who Shadow was for ages, but who was Gabrielle?

Gabrielle is Casey's former girlfriend and wife. She offered him shelter and a place to live in her trailor in "City at War," but I forgot how they met. I'll have to look into that someday!

Hehehe that is so true, I will deff agree to this. I love the way they handle it in the new show, and in the original comics. biggrin

Does anyone think that there may be something going on between Leo and Venus de Milo, seeing as their bandanna colors are both blue?

Blah. I don't think so.
It was really stupid to give Venus the color blue as well. It's a light blue, but it was blue nevertheless.

In my opinion, Leonardo is the only one who should wear the color blue.

Indeed, they should have given her pink, or black, or yellow. Or anything else basically xp

Well with Venus I know the actress said that she'd liked Michaelangelo hehehe Even though the character kind of pushed him off. Others have said they'd think she'd be more for Raphael. But the original deal of the show said she wouldn't be really matched up with any of them... which made it very stupid for them to make sure there was a scene in the show where Venus learns that she is not really their sister. It mean Saban may have tried to sneak something in any how.

With her color I'm GLAD they didn't take yellow or pink, I would of been so pissed if they did. I hate those colors and I hate it when girls are color coded for that. I don't mind the blue they choose for her, it wasn't too much like Leonardo's to me. So I was ok with that. There was other colors they could of used... but if they went the way of yellow and pink I would of had a few things to say that wouldn't have been nice. Having people shove yellow and pink down my throat when I was little, made sure that I didn't like those colors growing up. My favorite color is blue. Always has been.

Who is Oyuki? I have seen her name in many fanfics, but don't know who she is.

I'm not really sure.

Oyuki was one of the Archie comics characters. She was a friend of April's and helped her write top stories on worldwide issues. This happened after April got fired from Channel 6, and she told her friend to photograph a certain crime scene for her. This earned back her respect from her boss and she was eventually re-hired.

If the turtles had a chance to turn human, do you think that they would? Or would they choose to stay turtles?

The only reason I can think of for them wanting to be human is that they can live normal lives. So, I don't know. They definately prefer being mutants than being pets in a bowl.

I think they would stay just the way they are. I pretty much believe they are happy for what they are. They seem pretty well-adjusted, and accepting of that fact.

They hang in the balance between species. They're not completely human, but they aren't completely animal/reptile either. In my opinion, they are a lot more human than most humans. Like drcoco said, it beats being pet turtles in a bowl.

This is a tough one, see each of the Turtles would go over it in their minds for a few reasons... mainly to be able to live what some would call a normal life. It was touched once in the original cartoon with "The Gangs all Here" when Michaelangelo ate the cookies that changed him human. Though it was a good idea for an ep, I think it was handled wrong with a few things (heh I don't see Mike looking like that! xd ) . Like Mike forgetting how to fight just because he's human, humans are Ninjas too.. the first ninjas were human... so that was not handled in the best of ways.

Now with each Turtle...

Leonardo would want to stay a Turtle, for he knows even if he changed human he would still live the honorable life he is now, and stick true to his training of being in the shadows. Living as a human and in their world isn't his #1 goal in life, though he'd like to be excepted he knows who he is and the path that he is living is true to his heart.

Raphael would want to become human, to get out of the sewers and live a normal life. Though the minute he looses his shell he'd realize things he'd miss about his old life. Gotta amit having a shell comes in handy while in a big fight. He'd highly think of this, and come up with an excuse like "Come on, if I was to leave Leonardo would fail at what he does, and I'd have to come back to save his shell any how" and make sure to put the blame on someone else for the reason he wouldn't go human.

Donatello would have a hard time with this choice... for he's already a loner and going out to the world is one of his dreams. Though if he's to changed he's forever regret his choice and feel he's done something wrong, though the same would be said if he doesn't change.... he would dwell on this choice and wait to see which path his brothers would choose for a help in guidness... or even talk to Master Splinter.

Michaelangelo also would love the idea of being human, living in a human world... not worrying about hiding, not having to deal with the sewers, being able to really go to concerts and eat inside a pizza place without a hat. Mike's life dreams would come true to be human... though than he'll have to realize the responablities that come with being human isn't stuff he was raised for... like holding a real full time job... I think he'd jump at being human at first... though if he's changed and realizes the problems that are invold in being human he'd want to go back to his brothers....

In all I think each of the Turtles will find deep down inside for one reason or another, they would be happier just being who they are. Changing for others approval will never make one truely happy.

I was introduced to these links by a friend after she dug them up from the depths of the internet, and I dug up the latter three:

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0699/

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0906/

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0898/

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0879/

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0869/

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0854/

They're all articles based on the old, and new of TMNT. Check them out.
They're a good read.

I love how this guy writes. Some of it is tasteful, others not, but I was constantly in tears from laughing so hard.

He actually quite does write funny. But at the same time it's like he's making fun of TMNT.

In a way, but it's in good humor for the most part. He's actually obsessed with TMNT.

That was absolutely HILARIOUS! I enjoyed every single article word for word! Heh, I've never heard of the Hostess pies, but I have heard of the TMNT cereal and cookies. In fact, I still have a cereal bowl that came with the box in my collection. Ebay sometimes sells these vintage food items, but I've never purchased any of them... There was even an auction for a can of Chef Boyardee TMNT ravioli a while back! (I'd like to hear the writer of those articles do a review on that! xd )

Thanks so much for sharing those sites, Mystic!

You're quite welcome. ^_^

I'd also like to read what this guy would say about the Ravioli.

eek I just found one of his articles... And it was on the ravioli story! Check it out! http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/225.html

I love this guy's writing. I'm in tears again from laughing.

Shame the pics don't seem to be working. I'd like to see them.

Me too! Yeah, the pics were disabled for some reason... Mabye I can pull up a few pictures in a good search from the answer to all life's questions: Google!!

Now I understand. Shredder isn't human because he's one of those Utrom things. I have a good hunch it's that evil one.

And what Leo did in the virtual reality scare was amazing. Only he could pull off something like that. He's the most focused of the four.

Don't mean to give away any spoilers, but your hunch is right! You're right about the Leo virtual reality scene. He made the sword of Tengu vanish by believing it wasn't actually "real." If my memory serves me right, I think that's what happened... 3nodding

Splinter told him they were an illusion within an illusion. If Leo could clear his thoughts, he could make anything he believed actually happen. Which is exactly what happened. He "took" the sword from Shredder's hand, and made it appear in his own, totally kicking Shredder's butt off the face of a cliff with it.
Then he made it disappear from existence. It was so cool.

You nailed it right on the mark. It was a very cool scene indeed!
What do you think of the guardians? (The matrix-like ninjas who guard the utroms). I think their mysterious aura is awesome. I'm sure you saw the episode where all the guardians were shown, right? (When Leo took off the Shredder's head). It was darn cool!

The Guardians are great.

I didn't know what to make of them when they first showed up, but after helping Leo, and the others out several times, I found them to be pretty cool.

I agree, at first, I didn't know if they'd be friends or foes with the turtles, but after helping out Leo, I knew they were good guys. Apparently, their rivalry with Shredder goes back thousands of years!

By the way, none of this was in the comic books; Shredder was never an Utrom, and the guardians didn't exist. The creators of the cartoon added them for appeal and it was a nice addition. However, the Utroms were in the original Mirage vol. 1 comics.

Wow. Really? It's tied in so great I thought that it was a part of the comics. That's awesome.

I know! I would have never expected Shredder to become an Utrom in the new cartoon series. I remember a documentary from Peter Laird, stating that the new cartoon takes stories from the original Mirage comics and adds things here and there for eye-candy and appeal. Baxter Stockman came back as a robotic spider with his head severed! You have seen that episode, where they break into the TCRI building... that's where Baxter is a "head on a robotic spider." (i.e. Cyborg!) whee There were so many other things added that were missing in the comics and even in the old cartoon! Another fun fact: Hun never existed until the new cartoon created him...

*dances around* Sorry for that moment of insanity.

Ahh! I just loved yesterday's ep "The Ultimate Ninja." It was Leonardo at his best. ^_^

The annoyance by April's stockings all over the place, and his disapproval... *giggles* That part was funny, especially about Splinter, and the workings of shampoo and brushing on his fur. LOL.
The whole thing where the video tape flew out of Casey's hands, and that amazing display of ninjitsu Leo pulled off to catch it, and then pop it into the player.

Then the whole battle with that other ninja... He's so quick, and so fast. Poetry in motion... I was scared for awhile though, especially with him dangling off the bridge, and then falling when the cable was cut. But again, his quick thinking saved him.

*grins widely* I just loved it.

eek how long did it take you to do all this? eek

Ok, here's time to share a fast story.... since I keep mentioning doing something like this...

Back in 1997 I was mentioned on the http://www.ninjaturtles.com/ because I run a TMNT chat room. Since they dont' have an offical one they gave my email address on their site for it.

Well in April 1997 I got an email from some guy saying he worked on the set of NT:TNM and wanted to know what they fans were saying about the show. Well at this time the show was just beginning to be filmed all we had to go off was a few production pictures on the web site... so we didn't have much to say besides for the fact that a lot of us were against the idea of a female Turtle (myself included at the time).

Well I didn't truely believe that this guy worked for the set, but decided to play along just in case... I mean really... why would someone from the set email me of all people... what luck would that really be? Esp when he told me he's one of the Turtles! He also said he was a shy Turtle so asked me not to tell anyone... so I really thought it was a prank... but kept playing along...

At the end of April, Larry Lam (Leonardo's stunt double in TMNT 2 and 3) was doing a kicking lesson at my Dojo, so before leaving I sent my new friend an email saying I'm off to meet Larry Lam. Once I got to the dojo I learned that Larry is also working on the set of NT:TNM and I really surprised with my knowlege I already knew about the show. Though I had no clue Larry was working for the show till I got to the Dojo and learned it from him. Once I got home, my new friend sent me an email saying he just met Larry on the set this past week and how he's a nice guy... well that surprised me and he convinced me a little that this might be for real.

In May he sent me pictures from the set, and I started to believe even more so... this could be real. In June we talked on the phone and he told me that if I got to Vancouver BC he'd get me on the set of the show... sure enough a trip was planned and in July I found myself on a road trip to Vancouver BC. Once we got there I met up with my friend and he took me to the set... once of the BEST times of my life...

I will say now, it was like a dream and still when I think about to it, I wonder if I was really dreaming... I got tons of pictures and videos to prove to myself it was real.... you know the Subway lair in the show is the same one used for both TMNT 2 and 3?! I couldn't believe seeing that place with my own eyes... you walk in and you can't tell it's a set... it's all enclosed and there's nothing there that screams out "I'm a set" instead you really feel like you're in the lair... I was there on a day with no cameras so I really felt the awe of what that place is.

I also got the chance to watch some filming for "The Guest" in which I got to meet all of the Turtles, Splinter, Dr. Quease and some of the Rank. This is when I became a Venus De'Milo fan. I made friends with the actress, Niki and she was such a great person and was putting her heart into making Venus a good character. It takes a lot of hard work to wear those costumes and she put all she could into doing the best they could. I learned so much about her and the rest of the behind the scenes on that show... and found a deep down respect I will always hold for the Next Mutation.

Here is a fast picture from the visit to the set. It's not the best picture, I'll have to scan some more... but I scanned this one through a frame and it didn't come out so good...



My friend later let on to everyone who he was, when he came to a booth I held at Motor City Comic Con back in 2000, we called it the Turtle Con Booth. His name is Mitch, and he was the actor who did Raphael. (Seen with me and Michaelangelo in the above picture).

Ivey, that was an incredible story, and I'm sure one that you'll never forget! An email by the actor, Mitch eventually led you to meet the other actors (and turtles!) of The Next Mutation series.... That is truly unbelieveable! You even got to see the set of the first TMNT movie, with the subway tunnel-- Wow! What an awesome experience. eek

The one thing I regret is that I never got a chance to see much of TNM, and I regret that. I was able to pick up a VHS tape called "East Meets West" and found it very enjoyable. I even have one of the alien-like action figures! (The green and purple guys). But I only partially remember things about the show... Were there other VHS tapes released and would you know of any way to get them? Haha, I'm sure you've got them on tape! biggrin I'll keep an eye out for anything Next Mutation related!

Well the subway tunnel was in TMNT 2 and 3, didn't make it into the first movie they had a different lair, the old sewer den that was destroied by the fight with the Foot... and as Leo said in TMNT. "Oh right Raph, where about a hundred members of the Foot Clan know where we live"

Yeah that was a dream come true. And I'll never forget, that trip. I try to share my adventure through stories, but the best way of shareing is at meet ups when I get the chance to show video from the visit to the set.

Sadly "East Meets West" is the only United States release of of the Next Mutation that I've seen for sale. It's badly edited from what was even done on TV, some of my favorite scenes like Leo trying to break the bricks with his head was cut. There's a lot of people out there though with this series on VHS from when it aired. I have almost every complete ep... "Windfall" is on two tapes, so I don't feel like I have the whole ep. The rest I have, somewhere... I only know where one of my NT:TNM tapes are right now, because of the move.

Sounds like you're talking about the Rank Toy, they're not really alien figures they're dragons... and suppose to be from Earth.. just got banished to another realm and they used the Realm of Dreams to get back to Earth.

Heh I relate in a lot of ways to Michaelangelo. I am a very hyper person, I have ADHD, and it shows... so even when I was a kid I loved Michaelangelo because you can feel the energy coming off of him, with the way he moves... and knowing that when he puts his heart to things he can go through with it. The original show didn't really pick up on who Mike was all the time, they enjoyed useing him as the comic relief, joker, and group mess up. Though I still loved him in the cartoon... it wasn't till I started to read Turtles that I found the other parts of him that made me even more a Michaelangelo fan than before...

He's an Artist -

Mirage Vol 1. #17 and TMNTA #62

He's a writter -

Mirage Vol. 1 #17 and most of the Image issues.

He into comic books.... just about every area of TMNT shows this.

He an actor -

Each movie has him quoteing actors at some point or another, or bringing up actor names... "Clint Eastwood..." *G*

Most of his interest are things I have in comman with him, so it really holds me close to him. And the fact that he does all of this while his energy level is as high as mine, trust me high energy isn't always easy to control and isn't excepted by a lot of people... people think you're acting childish or you're just plan weird... and you get titled an outcast before people get to know you... or they keep you around for comic relief.

I was into Karate for awhile, and I know one thing about Karate there's a lot of times when you have to hold still... esp when the Sensei is talking to you. Yeah you might twitch a little here and there, but really you're suppose to stay still... and to be a Ninja Master, or even a high level Ninja they got to know how to stay still, be quiet, and move through the shadows... which is why I can see Mike posing for the statue better than I can see myself posing... I never masted that area. But in many areas of the TMNT, it shows that Mike knows just how to do all that ninja hiding in the shadows bit.

My favorite versions of Michaelangelo go towards the Mirage comics, Image comics, Movies, and the new show.

There was only one area of TMNT where I was disappointed with Michaelangelo and that goes to the Next Mutation. He didn't act right in there, they made him out only as the comic relief taking out who he is in many ways... and just putting him in there acting weird even for Mike. A few good things they had in there was his pirate radio show. But the turtles I liked most in that series was Donatello and Raphael. My favorite Villain was Dr. Quease.

I think the only thing I don't know about that was mentioned is the comics xp

The comics are what started it all. Kevin Eastman, and Peter Laird are the creators, and their studio is called Mirage. You can read the TMNT's origin story on the official website here: http://www.ninjaturtles.com

Thankies -goes off to read it-

I just read the first comic on that site, and it was awesome! I wanna read more of the comics now.

They are cool, aren't they? The only thing that bugs me about the Turtles in the comics is the fact they have tails. It's just too weird to me, but then again, I've never known them to have them. To me, I think the mutation would have terminated that part of their anatomy.

Well dealing with mutation they all probably wouldn't have mutated the same way anyway, becuase their genetics would all be slightly different.

That's feasible.

Haha! Yes, the tails are drawn in the comics, and I found that interesting as well when I first got into them. Since I grew up watching the cartoon, I never knew them to have tails either. But I can appreciate the old-school drawings, tails and all, because it's a part of the TMNT's history. It's interesting to see how the characters have evolved since their debut in '84. I'd like to see a picture timeline, showing their evolution over the years, or perhaps make one myself if I can find the resources!

I'm impartial to the tails.

I've never seen the episode "April's Artifact", but I got it on tape today, and let me say that is the wildest of the series I've seen yet. *laughs*

April and the guys get transported to another dimension in a jungle world filled with giant bugs. In order to get back home, they must go to a temple where a giant version of the artifact that transported them there is inside. Only one problem; the temple is inhabited by a giant hornet colony.

Throughout much of the show, they could literally be a poster advertising "Survivor." April's wearing what's left of her clothes, which are in rags, and carrying a spear. They all had to make crude weapons as April made them hand their real ones over because they were getting in the way of breaking things in her new shop they were helping to set up. And towards near the end, they all had jump in a stinky swampy mud pond to coat themselves in it to keep the hornets away in the temple.

But this, this was the Master Card priceless... Tough, macho Raphael is afraid of bugs. *giggles* Never would have even dreamed of it. It is just too funny. The whole episode is crazy. xd

This one of the new cartoon episodes? Wow, I have to see this someday! It sounds like a lot of crazy things went on. Raph is afraid of bugs? Well, if they're hornets, then I'd have reason to be afraid of them as well... Hornets are such nasty little critters... whee

Yeah, it is.

Well, he says he hates bugs. He doesn't admit he is afraid, but he's got to be by the way he freaks when Mikey psyches him out by saying there's one crawling up his shell when they're in that other dimension. Plus, at the beginning of the episode when they're in the shop, a fly was buzzing around him, and landed on his nose while he was helping Casey move a large set of antique armor. He had his hands full, so he couldn't swat at it, but tried blowing it off. He then raised all heck when he couldn't get it off, and tried to kill the thing, dropping the armor. In the process, he destroyed a case full of porcelain figurines, of which April had a fit with him.

But he did get the fly out of the shop through the door. *giggles*

Hah, that sounds like much fun! Raph drops all of April's porcelain figures over a fly landing on his nose? That's a little overdone! Somebody needs to give him a tranquilizer or something! Moreover, giving a tranquilizer to Mikey would be significantly more useful! xp But Raph did get the fly out of the shop and that's the bottom line... ^^

Well, the armor he and Casey was carrying was really heavy, and when Raph let go so suddenly like that, all the weight on his end was thrown to Casey. Casey was propelled backwards into the display case of the figurines, and depression glass.

*grins* I agree it was just a little over the top, even for Raph, but it was so funny. *laughs*

Oh, man. The Big Brawl episodes are promising to be the most interesting of the show yet.

I taped the first part, and the previous episode, The Justice Force Returns. The Justice Force thing was crazy, but there were some cool stuff from it. One, Donny has built them all ShellCycles, with his having a side car. Possibly for Master Splinter to ride in. They're all in their colors with matching helmets. Two, they also have really cool black jackets with stripes in their colors to wear when they ride.

Now on to the Big Brawl.. The first part was really cool. There was a lot of traditional Japanese going on in there. A chant to enter the Battle Nexus realm was spoken in Japanese, Splinter said Domo Arigato at one point, and Leonardo paid respects in the Nexus's Hall of Fame to the statues of Master Splinter, and Yoshi in the traditional Japanese.

The guys tagged along to find out what was up with Splinter. When they found out about the Battle Nexus, and the story told behind it, including Splinter being the champion, they were impressed to say the least. Now they are set to compete along side him. Well, almost. At least until Leo's katanas are repaired. They were broken when they were fighting in a preliminary round battle they mistakenly got into, and won.
Those swords mean an awful lot to Leonardo. He looked absolutely devastated as he stared of what he was left holding, and the broken blades on the ground. He actually fell to his knees before them.

More importantly, as far as the weapons department goes, he defenseless in that area for now. And this is really dangerous, because at the end when he's alone in the Hall of Fame to pay respects, ninja that look similar to the Foot ninja phase in like ghosts from some of the statues. They have weapons, and they have them aimed at Leo, who seems to be unaware of it as his eyes are closed.

This is where the episode ends, and I hate cliffhangers. I can barely stand to wait a whole week to tape, and see the next part.

A few weeks ago I was lucky enough to get my hands on the next three parts of the Big Brawl (It was aired in Austrail) and you're right.. they're promising to be the most interesting... and after viewing them... they're deff some of my favorite eps to date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's some great scenes coming up for each of the Turtles, and a lot of wonderful laughs and cliff hangers.

I won't give any spoilers away, but I will say that my favorite scene I believe is in "Big Brawl" Part 3 with Michaelangelo and Raphael going against each other in the Touranment! Trust me that is an ep worth seeing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember seeing that in May. I'm anxious also. I noticed that Leo sees something special in his katanas that his brothers don't see in their weapons. Even Splinter says that one should never be to dependent of a particular weapon. I think this is Leo's weakness. It's the only thing that breaks his focus in a fight.

Good eye! That is a mistake they're doing with this show, they're making Leo act more like a Samurai than a Ninja! Ninja had their weapons more as a throw away things and tried not to get connected to their weapons. If they lost or break their weapons they would go on and do what they needed to do, not get all broken up about it.

This is my problem with Leonardo right now. I'm hoping he grows out of this after having his weapons broken so much. If he's this unsure of himself without his swords he should start to train without them at home, and even try a few new weapons just in case.

so, what did everyone think about saturday's season premier?

I loved it, I really enjoy the Big Brawl all together. It's GREAT! We have some wonderstuff still to come with this. * holds back from spoilers* smile

I can't wait to find out who wins the battle nexus tournament.

*Holds hand over mouth to avoid giving spoiler*

I'm going stir-crazy wondering what the shell is going to happen next, especially with Leo. I don't know if I can hold out to wait for the next two Saturdays.

Unfortnately, I haven't seen any of the Big Brawl episodes... (I don't have cable) I guess I'll have to wait for them to come out on DVD... which can take some time!

You don't get TMNT on normal TV... like Fox? In Michigan we get it on Sundays, on the WB network... as weird as that seems but I'm happy to say we do get it on normal TV.

The Big Brawl DVD is suppose to be a real good one, including a very specail interview being placed on that one. biggrin

I do get TMNT on normal TV, but I rarely get the chance to view it, since it's broadcasted when my "lights" are out! I just love sleeping in on Saturdays! Every other day of the week, I'm up at 7AM. stressed

can understand you there, but TMNT are on in the morning, than I've got so much other stuff to do... if I didn't have other stuff on Sunday, I think I would set my VCR to tape TMNT so I could sleep in wink

The TMNT are broadcasted early Sunday mornings where you live? Hope you're not too zonked out to watch them! XD

Oh no matter how tired I am, I wake up for my Turtles! xd

UR so hardcore.

Hehehe Thanks.... though I know others who do the same, I know one person who tells her work that she can't work on Saturdays mornings, but won't tell them why.

who thinks Mikey is going to win the Battle Nexus Tournament?

3 cheers for Michaelangelo! The Battle Nexus Tournament winner!!!!!!!!!

I was so happy for him! xd

Shame, I missed watching TMNT this morning on the FoxBox... could somebody tell me briefly what happened? I know that Mikey won the tournament (credit to CR).

oh yeah. i can tell you what happened. let's see how good the old memory bank is

don and usagi fought off those shadow dudes and leo just started waking up on his own and they protected the damyo

raph got triceraton to hold commoner by his neck and said triceraton would eat him if he didn't tell him where splinter was. commoner said the palace dungeon

raph rode on triceraton's shoulders and had a curtain over them so it appeared raph was really tall. when the guard came near, triceraton's hand came out and punched them. triceraton bent bars of cell to let splinter out

that dragon dude (drago?) was about to steal the damyo's staff, but damyo's son (guy with evil grin mask) took it first. damyo's son didn't know how to use it and it fired blue fireballs around the room. drago took staff and shot it at damyo's son.

meanwhile, at the tournament:
mikey, something that looks like a female alien, the commoner from the last episode that turned into some giant purple warrior, and that gambling rhino went through a portal and were randomly pitted against eachother (although i looked and 1st person through the portal fought 2nd person through the portal and 3rd person fought 4th person).
the fight happened in the same room, just one battle on the left and one on the right. big purple commoner beat gambling rhino (this sounds like horse race by the names i gave them). mikey fought the other alien. her spear almost got the best of him, but he used his nunchaku to disarm her and win. so then mikey had to fight the purple commoner.

as all this is happening, drago (while atop the damyo's viewing area) uses damyo's staff to shoot damyo's son into the arena mikey is fighting in. drago also jumps down to arena.

raph,triceraton, splinter, damyo, usagi, don all come. damyo uses what little strength he has to warp them into the arena. damyo uses his power to get staff out of drago's hand. everyone runs for staff. drago gets it (IIRC) and his evil power creates a rift. everyone starts to get sucked up. some slam their weapons into the ground and hold on (which didn't make sense when mikey slammed his nunchaku into the ground and it just stuck in there and allowed him not to be blown away).

the first person to get sucked up was that floating illusion guy who announces the tournament winners. damyo's son and drago were holding on and fighting and lost grip and got sucked into the rift. raph was able to secure the damyo's staff from getting sucked up by holding it in place to the ground in between his sai blades. he was able to toss it to damyo (IIRC) and damyo was forced to close rift and leave his son in that unknown territory.

then everyone dropped to the ground. mikey looked like he stretched his arms after getting up...but his nunchaku ended up hitting purple commoner who was behind him and knocked purple commoner out. mikey asked if they were still supposed to be fighting. then he realized purple commoner was knocked out cold.

next scene shows mikey with friends behind him accepting blue trophy from damyo. mikey also has some gold flowery thing on his head like romans would wear. damyo sent turtles and splinter home. it was weird to see them after all that just get warped back to their layer in the sewer in new york city. mikey gloated. raph said he won on a technicality. mikey gloated and they all jumped on eachother and splinter said it's good to be home.

Hey man, thanks a lot for the detailed synopsis of what happened during the episode I missed! I appreciate it. So Mikey won a pair of golden laurels for ranking first place, eh? I'm sure Raph had mixed feelings after Mikey won the competition. I remember in the previous episode, Raph said "I don't believe it... What if he actually wins this thing?" after he lost to Mikey. It's been a wild Big Brawl, that's for sure! Thanks again, CR.

no problem. glad i could help you and contribute something to the guild.

i'm wondering if they're going to erect a statue of mikey at that battle nexus hall of champions like they did with splinter and hamato yoshi. it would be nice if they did. 3nodding
and hey, since it's a black & white statue of a ninja turtle, it could easily represent any and/or all of the 4...unless it had a wild mikey facial expression. then everyone else would all know it was him. xd

I was just thinking that.

What statue? Where?

In the new series, when they're dong the Touranments they make Statues for each years winner... Hamato has one, Splinter has one... and this means Michaelangelo should get one as well. It's just in the show.

Oh, I see.

*jumps up and down* GO MIKEY!!! *hugs a Mikey plushie so hard head pops off* NO!! *tries to put head back on* WWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! crying crying crying crying crying