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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:00 pm
The East Without a doubt, the first religion that comes to mind when the word "enlightenment" is heard would be Buddhism. What most of us in the Western world don't realize is that the idea of enlightenment is common all over the Eastern Hemisphere.
Enlightenment is defined here as reaching a mental state of clarity and understanding. Some go as far as to say "being united with God." Major religions that believe in the concept of enlightenment include Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism. In Buddhism, enlightenment can be reached through meditation, sometimes with the help of meditative aids such as koans (thought invoking phrases) or mandalas (symbolic patterns). In Hinduism, Moksha (the Hindu word for enlightenment) is achieved through yoga, mantras (reciting syllabic words) or various kinds of self-deprivation.
The West In the western world there are several spiritual traditions that take a different path to the same goal. Occultism, including Thelema, Hermeticism and Alchemy each refer to the enlightened state as "Adepthood." In Occult Traditions, this goal is reached by using magic and the power of the Gods to cleans and purify oneself until the mind is clear enough to "connect" with God.
In the Western Occult Tradition, there is a group of enlightened persons from the past known as the Ascended Masters. These are people who attained enlightenment in life and stuck around in spirit to teach and help others attain enlightenment. (Buddhism calls this state bodhisattva.) Some Western Occultists include in this list Jesus, Confucius, Kwan Yin, the alchemist Comte de Saint-Germain, and Vaivasvata Manu, the Hindu mythological figure. Upon death, those who have reached enlightenment can choose to "pass through the veil" into the beyond or become an Ascended Master.
Elder Worship There are several religions, both in the East and the West, where deceased ancestors are revered, almost to the point of being gods. Ancestor worship is still commonplace in the Asia and Africa, and was been practiced by the Native Americans.
A colorful modern example is Vodun, more commonly known as Voodoo. When someone dies, they become a spirit known as a loa. The more worshippers a loa has, the more powerful it becomes. There are thousands of different loas, but a few have risen to the top and are revered by all Vodun practitioners. The loa sticks around, acting as a god as long as it has followers. When a loa has no followers, it leaves this world to reside with God on a far off island beyond the great ocean. Loas can leave this world upon death, but most stay to lend power to their children.
This concept is very similar to the Buddhist idea of bodhisattvas, with some minor differences. Has anyone made any other similar connections between different religions, pertaining to enlightenment or the like?
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:09 am
A Murder of Angels Enlightenment is defined here as reaching a mental state of clarity and understanding. I've also read a few Hindu and Buddhist sources that say Enlightenment is a continuous, unending process rather than a state of being. They use the image of the seventh chakra, of a thousand-petaled lotus that is always in a process of opening. Although, perhaps the "state"/"process" is just semantics and I'm mistaken. That seems more likely. xd A Murder of Angels In the western world there are several spiritual traditions that take a different path to the same goal. Occultism, including Thelema, Hermeticism and Alchemy each refer to the enlightened state as "Adepthood." In Occult Traditions, this goal is reached by using magic and the power of the Gods to cleans and purify oneself until the mind is clear enough to "connect" with God. Ah yes! I once heard a Zen monk once say that, generally, Buddhists are no more enlightened than Christians. The Buddha himself has even been known to say that enlightenment is possible wherever someone practices mindfulness with diligence. A Murder of Angels Elder WorshipThere are several religions, both in the East and the West, where deceased ancestors are revered, almost to the point of being gods. Ancestor worship is still commonplace in the Asia and Africa, and was been practiced by the Native Americans. Shintō is very interesting as far as ancestor worship goes. It is believed that after you die, you yourself become a kami, a "god". This is because all human beings have the "divine breath" that originated with Izanagi and Izanami (the two from whom the world and all the other gods, including human beings, originate according to myth). A Murder of Angels This concept is very similar to the Buddhist idea of bodhisattvas, with some minor differences. Has anyone made any other similar connections between different religions, pertaining to enlightenment or the like? Summerland from Wiccan mythology reminds me of the Buddhist Pure Realms, where Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are said to reside outside of samsara. In one of them, Tushita Heaven, the future Buddha Maitreya dwells as a Bodhisattva. Also the idea in some Wiccan circles about how the God and Goddess are not two separate and distinct entities, but two expressions of a singular hole, is very harmonious with ideas about Yin, Yang and their relationship to the Tao.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:05 pm
Ligier the Green Sun A Murder of Angels Enlightenment is defined here as reaching a mental state of clarity and understanding. I've also read a few Hindu and Buddhist sources that say Enlightenment is a continuous, unending process rather than a state of being. They use the image of the seventh chakra, of a thousand-petaled lotus that is always in a process of opening. This is true, both in the East and the West, though Occultists will claim there is a point where Adepthood is reached. From there, one continues to improve as an Adept. I'm not sure if it's the same in Buddhism. Ligier the Green Sun Shintō is very interesting as far as ancestor worship goes. It is believed that after you die, you yourself become a kami, a "god". This is because all human beings have the "divine breath" that originated with Izanagi and Izanami (the two from whom the world and all the other gods, including human beings, originate according to myth). Funny... this fits Judaism as well... God breathed the Breath of Life into Adam to give him life. In ancient Jewish law, life is measured by breathing, and not heartbeat or brain patterns. I'm sure there's other religions that believe similarly. Ligier the Green Sun Summerland from Wiccan mythology reminds me of the Buddhist Pure Realms, where Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are said to reside outside of samsara. In one of them, Tushita Heaven, the future Buddha Maitreya dwells as a Bodhisattva. That's very neat... I'd like to learn more about that. Got any good reading links? Ligier the Green Sun Also the idea in some Wiccan circles about how the God and Goddess are not two separate and distinct entities, but two expressions of a singular hole, is very harmonious with ideas about Yin, Yang and their relationship to the Tao. That's also similar to the Hindu idea that Brahman manifests himself to humans as the many different Hindu deities. 3nodding Occultists believe in a distant power called "the All" which can be seen as God. The All is literally everything. There are archetypical ideas in the spirit world that take the form of various angels and gods from different religions to communicate with humans on behalf of the All, taking the form that best fits the person's belief.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:15 pm
Of the Kemetic faith, it is in the doing of and spreading of the concept of Ma'at and focusing on spiritual purity that we reach enilghtenment. Part of this is in cleansing both body and spirit (ba and ka), and another part is actually living Ma'at, which is doing things that support truth, honor, justice and order. simple things like spending some time with family and the elderly to defending the downtrodden and helpless agianst thier persecutors (typical example would be helping a kid that's always getting beat on by the schoolyard bullies). Balancing out living life in this world and worship along with self-contemplation and assesment. For me, Yinepu is great at helping out with this. Goofy as He can be at times, He has a knack for removing you from a situation (not physically, but mentally/spiritually) and allow you to observe the situation and let you look at it objectively instead of emotionally so you can come up with a plan to deal with it in a logical way.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:00 am
A Murder of Angels This is true, both in the East and the West, though Occultists will claim there is a point where Adepthood is reached. From there, one continues to improve as an Adept. I'm not sure if it's the same in Buddhism. Oh yes. In Buddhism there are many levels or stages of enlightenment from that of an Arhat, to the ten stages of the Bodhisattva, to the Buddha. There are also Dharmapalas ("Dharma Protectors"), Yidams (Celestial Bodhisattvas - Gods who attained enlightenment), Ascended Teachers (Human beings who reached nirvana and were reborn outside of samsara), et cetera. The quality and degree of their enlightenment varies, with Buddha being considered the pinacle potential of enlightenment. A Murder of Angels Funny... this fits Judaism as well... God breathed the Breath of Life into Adam to give him life. In ancient Jewish law, life is measured by breathing, and not heartbeat or brain patterns. I'm sure there's other religions that believe similarly. That is fascinating! Especially because in the yoga sutras, it's said that a person is born only with so many breaths and once you use them all up, you die. So there's emphasis on relaxing and controlling your breathing rather than hyperventilating all the time because of stress. I did not know that about Jewish law before! heart A Murder of Angels That's very neat... I'd like to learn more about that. Got any good reading links? Unfortunately I can't seem to find many good links online for information about the various Pure Lands or Realms. I get most of my information out of books, but I did find the following through Google: Quote: As Mahayana Buddhism developed during the 2nd and 1st centuries B.C.E., related visions of buddha-fields or buddha-paradises were conceived, each ruled over by a particular buddha believed to provide individuals with the fulfillment of their needs. These include the Tushita Heaven, where buddhas dwell who have only one more rebirth to go through -- the most prominent being Maitreya, the last of the five earthly buddhas, expected to appear in about 30,000 years. But Tushita was later supplanted in China by Sukhavati (Skt. "Blissful"), also known as the Western Paradise, a kind of halfway house on the Road to Nirvana. The faithful who are fortunate enough to be reborn in this realm of fragrant flowers and gem-bearing trees may each sit on an individual jewel lotus and study the Dharma, or teachings of Buddhism, with Amitabha himself, free from all sadness, misfortune, or pain, progressing toward their inevitable buddhahood and nirvana. [ source ] A Murder of Angels That's also similar to the Hindu idea that Brahman manifests himself to humans as the many different Hindu deities. 3nodding Ah yes! Very much so! biggrin A Murder of Angels Occultists believe in a distant power called "the All" which can be seen as God. The All is literally everything. There are archetypical ideas in the spirit world that take the form of various angels and gods from different religions to communicate with humans on behalf of the All, taking the form that best fits the person's belief. Ah yes, and in Occultism there sometimes are things called servitors or egregores, yes? In Tibetan Buddhism there are entities called tulpa, which is a thought form created through willpower. The way you can tell if you've created one successfully is if a realized lama can see it, because only those who have attained enough realizations to clear away the mental obscurations preventing clear-seeing can perceive such beings, or so it is generally said. xd
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