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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:04 pm
...And I would love it if you guys could help me out.
For my human relations class, we get to do a mock wedding every semester, but this semester she decided to do it differently. She wants us to take different countries and/or religions and present how their weddings differ from the typical American Christian wedding. Naturally I chose to do Judaism, simple because I have never been to a Jewish wedding, nor do I have much of a clue how they differ from Christian weddings.
I know some of you kids are married, so I'd love to hear stories. In fact, even if you aren't married, I would love to hear stories. Also any useful information about typical ceremonies, courtship, and honeymoons, etc. I would greatly appreciate!
My friend is very excited, as well am I, to learn about this, so just leave whatever kind of comment you want. biggrin
Thanks!
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:12 pm
I went to both my cousin's weddings, and they were lots of fun! Somebody else would be much better to give you the exact ideas of what is done and why, but I'll just tell you some funny or interesting bits about the ones that I saw.
I thought it was pretty funny because when the bride and groom stepped on a wine glass in one of my cousin's wedding, the thing they put it on so they could step on it wasn't strong enough for the groom, and it went everywhere, splashing a bit of wine, too. (Nobody was hurt, thus it was funny)
In both weddings I saw, the Chupah (spelling? sweatdrop ) was gorgeous! One was an outside wedding in a really Jewish neighborhood, so it already had flowers and vines growing on it, and it was amazing! It smelled great outside, too, as there were all these beautiful flowers everywhere. It was indescribably awesome. :3
I also liked it when they hoisted the bride/groom on chairs in the Horah, though I don't know if that's really traditional. It was really funny because the groom was having a great time, while the bride seemed to be terrified she would fall off, even though there were really strong guys holding up the chair. I remember her face amused me greatly. blaugh
That's all I can remember offhand, but like I said, somebody else would be a much better help, especially since most of my relatives are older and were married before I was born/old enough to remember- sorry. sweatdrop
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:25 pm
So Cindy, that's awesome! I really just wanted to hear stories because I'M SO DEPRIVED! smile
I really want to make a makeshift chupah out of like, butcher paper, but I don't know how well that would go over...
Which reminds me, are there any wedding favors they hand out...Like I know at weddings I've been to, they gave out bird seed to throw at the bride and groom and bubbles...I think having something Jewish would be a cute little thing for them to keep, and to amuse them more so they don't get bored when I'm yammering away.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:46 pm
This is getting harder for me to find:
Courtship!
What is the philosophy on a religious courtship in Judaism? How long do they usually last?
I need help, apparently they just can answer these questions on Aish or Jewish Literacy... xp
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:16 am
First, about weddings. You need a copy of Anita Diamant's The New Jewish Wedding. It's full of really useful information, as well as entertaining to read. Yes, there's a glossary in back. I bought a copy of this when planning my wedding, and I still go back and read it every so often.
About courtship: Some Jews court/date the same way non-Jews do. Some don't court at all, but arrange matters with a shadchan (matchmaker). Bride and groom must meet before the wedding, but how often is up to their personal and community minhag (custom). Within Orthodoxy, even, there are many different types of customs, very formal to very casual and everywhere in between.
I met my bashert (my beloved destiny) by happenstance, but had we not met and hit it off instantly, I'd have begun speaking to a shadchan and asking for help finding a shidduch (a match). At that point, the shadchan would probably have asked me a great many questions about myself, as well as about the person I wanted to marry. He'd want to know what type of person I am, what I'm looking for, what traits are negotiable, what my goals and dreams are. He'd presumably be doing the same with all the men who've come in saying that they're looking for a wife. When the shadchan and the rabbi agreed that I was someone who'd be interested in so-and-so, and they'd probably be interested in me, they'd introduce us at the home of one of their parents or at a shiur (a learning session guided by a scholar or community leader) and see how we hit it off. If we did, then we'd go on each other's "short list," and if we didn't, we'd smile, say thank you for a lovely evening, and part ways without any harm done or any expectations thwarted.
Once I'd gotten up a decent short list, I'd probably invite each of the potentials over for dinner with my family, and go to dinner with their families, several times. There would be opportunities for seeing how we interact socially among people, how we deal with one another, how we deal with one another's families, and so on. Once two of us were really sure we were each other's "the one," the engagement would be announced, the wedding planned and executed, and boom: a married couple. It could take anywhere from a few weeks to a few years, depending on simple chance -- how soon you meet the right one, how many not-quite-right ones you'd meet first, and how soon you really knew that this was the one for you.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:35 pm
Oh my gosh, thank you! Courtship has been difficult for me, not to mention, there's a new chick in our group who is pretty confused, to be nice, about the whole thing, so that will come in handy.
Right now I'm making challah, and I didn't realize it took sooooo long! Haha, I'm about to put it in the oven...
Is there anything else about the ceremony that is extremely different then American style weddings?
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:12 pm
the chuppah is like a sukkah with out walls eg http://www.ajuaweddings.com/images/jewish-wedding.jpg
represents an open home like avraham and sara had here is a link to aish.com(literally fire) article on jewish weddings
http://www.aish.com/literacy/lifecycle/Guide_to_the_Jewish_Wedding.asp
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:34 pm
The main thing I notice is that there is no "Do you? / I do" portion in a Jewish wedding. The man signifies that he 'does' by offering the ring and speaking the formula for consecration in Hebrew: "I consecrate you to myself with this object (usually a ring), according to the laws of Moses and Israel." The woman signifies her acceptance of this by taking the ring from him and putting it on her finger. She is silent, but her action, which can be seen clearly, signifies that she is willing to marry the man. This is done after the Sheva Brachot, the seven blessings, which are spoken or sung by the officiant (rabbi or cantor).
Also of especial importance is the yichud, which means aloneness, or unity, or union. Instead of darting out of the santuary and then standing while everyone else forms a line so they can shake your hand and talk to you, a Jewish couple leaves the sanctuary and immediately goes into a private room for a few minutes. This is the first time they'll be alone together, and the first time they touch one another. It is a very powerful situation, especially if you've been shomer negiah your whole life -- have never touched anyone of the opposite sex, other than your parent or siblings. To suddenly get to be alone and unchaperoned, and allowed to touch, even encouraged to do so, is so amazing. It's hard to even remember that there are other things in the room besides your bashert. Someone will have put a plate of food, some things to drink, maybe a cushion on which to lean. Ideally, the food will be finger foods, so that you can feed one another. It's a very, very tender moment. Usually, people will stand guard outside the yichud room, so that no one disturbs you in your first moments alone togethe. When you both feel ready, the bride will put on a hat or scarf to cover her hair for the first time, to signify that from now on, her physical beauty is only for her groom to enjoy. Then the two will go outside and join the feast in progress.
But most of what's different is not at the wedding, but before and after. Jewish law has never allowed us to shy away from our human sexuality, but neither has it allowed us to cheapen it. We're allowed, encouraged, beckoned to enjoy our spouse's body and our own. We keep it perfectly private. It's like the cup that we smash in the ceremony (signifying that only the bride and groom will ever be permitted to sip from one another's sweetness). Our sexuality is not like a beer that you hoist in the middle of a raucous party. It's more like the cup of sweet, steaming-hot cocoa that we sip quietly at home, while cuddled up under the blankets. Everyone knows that we must drink, but no one knows where, when, or how many marshmallows we take in it. It is sacred and holy and delicious -- and only for two to share.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:09 pm
Great information, but I don't think I will ever look at hot chocolate in the same way again. xp
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:45 pm
I presented today and got a 98%. I got points off because I didn't have a map of Israel.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:25 pm
You might want to gently inform your teacher that only about 10% of the world's Jews live in Israel, and only a slightly higher percentage of Jewish weddings take place there. If your teacher wanted a map of a place where a lot of Jews get married, tell him or her to get a map of New York City or Los Angeles.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:27 pm
darkphoenix1247 Great information, but I don't think I will ever look at hot chocolate in the same way again. xp I hope you also won't think of intimacy in the same way. wink
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:26 pm
Divash You might want to gently inform your teacher that only about 10% of the world's Jews live in Israel, and only a slightly higher percentage of Jewish weddings take place there. If your teacher wanted a map of a place where a lot of Jews get married, tell him or her to get a map of New York City or Los Angeles. I really should have done that, but it's fine. I got an A and can't complain. Are there cookies I can make for food day that might be found at Jewish weddings?
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:35 am
kingpinsqeezels Are there cookies I can make for food day that might be found at Jewish weddings? There are different food traditions, depending on whether you're Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Teimani, Mizrachi... That is, where your Jewish ancestors came from, and the types of foods made in those places. The only real requirement is that the food should be absolutely kosher. Even if the bride and groom don't keep kosher, one or both of them may have family members who do, and it's just good manners to make sure that they can eat what's being served. No one wants to go to a wedding and starve. For your class, I'd just mention that if there's meat served at the wedding dinner, the wedding cake will be parve (pronounced parv or par-VEH), which means that there are neither meat nor dairy products or byproducts in the cake. This is because one of the laws of kashrut is the strict separation of meat from dairy. Those who keep to the laws of kashrut won't even cook or serve meat foods on dairy cookware/dishes, nor dairy foods on meat cookware/dishes.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:42 am
Divash kingpinsqeezels Are there cookies I can make for food day that might be found at Jewish weddings? There are different food traditions, depending on whether you're Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Teimani, Mizrachi... That is, where your Jewish ancestors came from, and the types of foods made in those places. The only real requirement is that the food should be absolutely kosher. Even if the bride and groom don't keep kosher, one or both of them may have family members who do, and it's just good manners to make sure that they can eat what's being served. No one wants to go to a wedding and starve. For your class, I'd just mention that if there's meat served at the wedding dinner, the wedding cake will be parve (pronounced parv or par-VEH), which means that there are neither meat nor dairy products or byproducts in the cake. This is because one of the laws of kashrut is the strict separation of meat from dairy. Those who keep to the laws of kashrut won't even cook or serve meat foods on dairy cookware/dishes, nor dairy foods on meat cookware/dishes. I would never have thought of that, I'll have to tell my teachers about it. They didn't get cake on friday, so I think my friend is bringing cupcakes, just because we feel bad... But yeah, that's good information. The teacher intern told us ours was the best wedding! I didn't get to break actual glass though, which was lame. sad
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