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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:26 pm
karllikeinspikes That for both lifers and choicers, our government officials don't really give a crap about abortion. The debate is mostly to get themselves votes for thier party. If Bush was really pro-life and wanted to end abortion, he could have (and possibly still could) ended it from 200-2006. It would have been very easy, yet it was put on the backburner, and only pursued with half-assed measures that died anyway. ex. the bill to ban girls from crossing state lines to aviod parental consent laws. Conversely if politicians really wanted defend Roe v. Wade permanently they could be working on ratifiying a constitutional amendment protecting abortion. But why not? Because of controversy. Although I do admit that all pro-choice politicans have to do to look good is make sure nothing changes. The point of this is that the vast majority of politicians don't really care about thier causes, and are just using them as ways to gain votes. Rarely do thier issues find a real goal (exceptions being women gaining the vote, desegregation). So if politician asks you for money/ support based on the I'm pro-choice/pro-life line, make sure they have the guts to actually do something in favor of their cause. Concur'd. Of course, this really goes for all "issues". The poor, the needy, peace, etc. Smokescreens, one and all. Of course, if you all elect to join the Orlandonian Revolution, you could easily overcome these simple things by joining me and helping bring about the eventual destruction of politicians all together!
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:56 pm
ThePeerOrlando2 karllikeinspikes That for both lifers and choicers, our government officials don't really give a crap about abortion. The debate is mostly to get themselves votes for thier party. If Bush was really pro-life and wanted to end abortion, he could have (and possibly still could) ended it from 200-2006. It would have been very easy, yet it was put on the backburner, and only pursued with half-assed measures that died anyway. ex. the bill to ban girls from crossing state lines to aviod parental consent laws. Conversely if politicians really wanted defend Roe v. Wade permanently they could be working on ratifiying a constitutional amendment protecting abortion. But why not? Because of controversy. Although I do admit that all pro-choice politicans have to do to look good is make sure nothing changes. The point of this is that the vast majority of politicians don't really care about thier causes, and are just using them as ways to gain votes. Rarely do thier issues find a real goal (exceptions being women gaining the vote, desegregation). So if politician asks you for money/ support based on the I'm pro-choice/pro-life line, make sure they have the guts to actually do something in favor of their cause. Concur'd. Of course, this really goes for all "issues". The poor, the needy, peace, etc. Smokescreens, one and all. Of course, if you all elect to join the Orlandonian Revolution, you could easily overcome these simple things by joining me and helping bring about the eventual destruction of politicians all together! What we need really is to get these rich ******** out of office, because right now its just like it was in early America where the rich white men could vote only. Now I'm not saying the founding fathers were bad (they had the right idea imo) but its getting out of control. Well Peer (I wanted to call you by your first name X3), I believe when our generation take over office its more diversified and right. Land of the People it should be, not land of the cash money. *EDIT* Peer Douche is spelled wrong in your title btw.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:57 am
]Kaiser[ Peer Douche is spelled wrong in your title btw. I find this hysterical for some reason. I'm just imagining you saying it to someone. "Dude... Douche is spelled wrong in your title." Like of some school paper or something. And I really don't feel much like responding to the original point. While I agree that politicians are mostly douches, I don't think that that is the reason bills don't get passed quickly. The reason bills don't get passed quickly is that there are so many checks and balances. If your bill is too extreme, you end up with people from your own party voting against it, and it could be filibustered leading to you not being able to do much else for the long period of time that the bill is before whichever house of Congress that is. As an example of what I mean, if a bill were proposed to make abortion just straight up illegal, even in the Congress of two years ago when the Republicans held a majority, it would not have passed, because not only do you have Pro-Choicers voting against it, but you have certain Pro-Lifers voting against it, because the current social climate would not allow it to survive long. Many who voted for it would not be elected in the next election because they had voted for it, and the new Congress would just overturn it, so these people believe that the public opinion should be changed first, then it should be made illegal. So it really wasn't possible to end abortion. And I do feel that politicians care about some of their issues; Some are throw aways to get votes, but if politicians didn't care about some of their issues, you wouldn't have such a diverse population of politicians.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:45 am
]Kaiser[ Peer Douche is spelled wrong in your title btw. @Andy #2: That's what I mean by doucebags. It's not a "check" when they won't vote on it because they won't get re-elected. It's them being assholes and not doing what they're voted into office to do. What's diverse about it? 90% of Congress is over 40, male and white. That's like saying segregated school's were diverse because the janitors were minorities.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:40 am
o.O See now, the funny thing is, my comment was totally color blind. It doesn't matter to me if the senators and representatives are black, white, or purple, or if they are male, female, or hermaphrodites, or if they are forty, twenty, or fifteen. I'm talking about their political opinions. You know. Because they're -politic-ians?
What I'm saying is, not all the "Republicans" fully fit the stereotype, and not all the "Democrats" fully fit the stereotype. If all they did was cater exactly to the will of the people, they would be sock puppets; Their opinions would sway with the public opinion, and you'd largely have a group of people who went with whatever the public opinion currently is, ala Kerry.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:06 pm
As I said in the other thread, this is completely ridiculous. You're dumbing down an extremely intricate and delicate process, and stating that because politicians don't do things your way they don't really care about anything. Your accusations are baseless really.
Look at the Canadian governmental system, if a politician tried to pull something like making abortion illegal, out of his a** it would firstly be shot down in a nano-second, and secondly there would be a vote of non-confidence, another election would be held and chances are 'ol buddy-boy would have just signed his resignation papers forever.
That said this whole, "Well they don't do things right away, and throw common sense to the wind even though in the end it would probably do absolutely no good!" reasoning is just stupid. That's like saying I don't care about starving children in Africa because I don't drop out of university, fly to Africa and go feed those children myself. How DARE I think about MY career and MY future, as well as those African children.
Politician's are people, like you and I. They're not only present when they're on TV and you can see them, they have lives outside of their jobs, families that they have to feed and look after, they have hopes and fears and dreams and they're not going to throw s**t out the window for something that is going to get overthrown the moment they're not re-elected because of it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:13 pm
Beware the Jabberwock As I said in the other thread, this is completely ridiculous. You're dumbing down an extremely intricate and delicate process, and stating that because politicians don't do things your way they don't really care about anything. Your accusations are baseless really.
Look at the Canadian governmental system, if a politician tried to pull something like making abortion illegal, out of his a** it would firstly be shot down in a nano-second, and secondly there would be a vote of non-confidence, another election would be held and chances are 'ol buddy-boy would have just signed his resignation papers forever.
That said this whole, "Well they don't do things right away, and throw common sense to the wind even though in the end it would probably do absolutely no good!" reasoning is just stupid. That's like saying I don't care about starving children in Africa because I don't drop out of university, fly to Africa and go feed those children myself. How DARE I think about MY career and MY future, as well as those African children.
Politician's are people, like you and I. They're not only present when they're on TV and you can see them, they have lives outside of their jobs, families that they have to feed and look after, they have hopes and fears and dreams and they're not going to throw s**t out the window for something that is going to get overthrown the moment they're not re-elected because of it. That's actually not what I'm doing at all. I'm merely pointing out that politicians are elected because they promise to fulfill certain actions, they then fail to do so or fail to even try to do so, ergo they are liars Well then, that's the shot he has to take in order to fulfill his obligation to the people who elected him. If it gets shot down then he can simply say "Hey, I tried, but they keep shooting me down, as long as you keep electing me though, I'll keep fighting to fulfill my promise". Anything less makes them a liar and a douche bag. Red herring and non-sequitor. African children do not give you a job and pay you to do said job. Hence the problem; they're human. Ergo, they are faulty and imperfect creatures and more than capable of being lying douche bags. They are elected and payed to do a job, all I'm saying is, maybe it's about ******** time they do it. I don't give a s**t about their hopes and fears; they leave tht s**t behind when they take public office or they don't run at all as far as I'm concerned. That's what being an elected official is about; sacrificing in order to fulfill your obligation to the people who elected you. He ran on the predication of doing X, he got the position for this belief, ergo, he must fulfill condition X or he's a lying douche bag. It's that simple.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:38 pm
Dude, Peer, guess who got sick and tired of me?
Guess man guess, its hilarious.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:39 pm
]Kaiser[ Dude, Peer, guess who got sick and tired of me? Guess man guess, its hilarious.   Besides me?Just kidding! <3 on Kaiser 
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:48 pm
lymelady ]Kaiser[ Dude, Peer, guess who got sick and tired of me? Guess man guess, its hilarious. Besides me?Just kidding! <3 on Kaiser I almost cryed! That was mean crying ! Much love to you hun, you red-haired devil you.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:57 pm
]Kaiser[ Dude, Peer, guess who got sick and tired of me? Guess man guess, its hilarious. ?! xd I told you not to talk to her, she's incapable of reason and logic. In other news: LOLZ IM IN UR EARTH, SYMBOITICALLY TAKING ALL UR TAU'RI!
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:22 am
ThePeerOrlando2 ]Kaiser[ Dude, Peer, guess who got sick and tired of me? Guess man guess, its hilarious. ?! xd I told you not to talk to her, she's incapable of reason and logic. In other news: LOLZ IM IN UR EARTH, SYMBOITICALLY TAKING ALL UR TAU'RI! Ya, everything I do is somehow dense and ignorant? Seriously WTF! I'm not even sure how I even get under that assumption, but maybe when it isn't from their PoV I'm blind to the truth... because ZOMG I'm speaking my mind so I'm automatically TEH EBIL LIFORZ! Seriously wtfever, I know the a*****e user who PMed her about this probally ranting her ******** mouth off because of some so and so problems the user has and wants to take it out on me. Fine, do it, all I ever was was nice to her, especially after she hijacked my account and blamed the event on me since it was my fault somehow? Sorry hun, when you hack, you hack, its that simple, you made rash decisions and continually think you are correct in your assumptions without even THINKING about other options or scenarios and you must be right. Seriously, get a clue, I have half a mind to report you and getting you banned because you seriously violated terms of the ToS and you lost a good friend. I was kind to you, forgiving, even put up with all of your bullshit, tried to stay calm when you dissed Peer even told you stop... but no, I'm the dense one. Shove it really, you selfish b***h.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:29 pm
Well...Kaiser, if you gave her your password, you could get yourself banned. That's against TOS. I think it's a stupid rule, but it's probably for just this sort of reason.
I know I'm alone here...but despite her temper, I think she's a good person and genuinely is trying to do good. I might be stupid for thinking that, and I'm pretty sure no one agrees with me, but that's what I think. Of course, she never used my account to break rules in a guild. In her defense, she tried really hard to get you unbanned, even though she mistook my intentions. She fought with me for days trying to get you unbanned.
And, y'all know you're not allowed to talk about specific members. Edited her name out; Miranda's too busy with school right now to deal with another wave of the guild being reported.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:53 pm
I was angry and upset, and she was complaining at you just so, I told her I deserved the banning because I violated the rules.
I'm just fed up with her telling me that I'm dense or stupid, or yelling at me when I do something she doesn't agree with, and she blocked me, not the other way.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:33 pm
I'm not saying your anger is undeserved. I'm also not saying her anger towards you or verbal abuse of you is warranted at all.
I just think that she's got a genuine will to do good.
I have no doubt about her complaining about me. I used her own analogy to compare her to a rapist. That's pretty damn low. I was pretty damn low. I said very ugly things I'm not proud of.
I do think it's ignorant to say, "If you disagree with me, you're ignorant," but then, that makes me ignorant by my own definition xd
At any rate, name-dropping isn't allowed. Vent all you want without dropping a name, but it's not going to hurt you if we get reported, it's going to hurt Miranda, and it could possibly get the guild shut down. I know you don't want that. I also know that's not your intention, and truth be told, I'd probably name-drop if I'd been put through that by a friend.
You're definitely not dense or stupid. Neither is Peer. Even though I have little confidence in myself, I still say I'm not dense or stupid either. She calls us all stupid and dense because we're pro-life. I don't agree with her. I certainly don't think I could be friends with her, because my self-confidence is low enough that I don't need a friend who degrades me even more. I've been down that road.
It's very possible to be friends with people who are pro-choice. Look at you and Peer. Look at me, even. My best friend is pro-choice, I'm marrying a man who is pro-choice, most of my family is pro-choice. But people who look down on you for having a different belief than they do? They aren't worth it. They can be wonderful friends to other people, but no one can be a wonderful friend to someone he or she looks down on.
It's almost impossible to believe that anyone can be that mad at you Kaiser, or think that you're anything near stupid or ignorant. But some people don't tolerate differing viewpoints on some issues, even if they try to. You know I have a very high opinion of you, or if you don't, you should. A lot of other people do too, I know this for a fact. She's wrong, plain and simple.
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