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 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:30 pm
we do this a lot in my Business Law class...we'll discuss a case and decide what the verdict should be based on our beliefs.
One example was that in Wisconsin, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant robbed a bank to pay for his wife's $60,000 cancer treatment. the discussion was what we should do about it. if the husband goes to jail, we'd have to put his family on welfare and we'd have to pay for him to be in jail. or would it be right just to leave him unpunished and send them back? would that be responsible for the States to do?
u can discuss this case or bring up any other controversial stories u hear.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:34 pm
Sounds like something that would find its way to the Supreme Court. Technically, if he's an "illegal immigrant" and truly was residing here illegally and had no papers, the US would be obligated to send the man and his family back to Mexico and let the problem be solved over there. confused I guess they would have to hold a trial... It could possibly lead to deportation. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, usually they'll deport you or hold you in jail. (I know in Mexico, possession of marijuana of any amount is automatically one year in prison and many American college students are serving in Mexican prisons for Spring Break gone wrong.)
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Cynical Rainbows Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:39 am
Cynical Rainbows Sounds like something that would find its way to the Supreme Court. Technically, if he's an "illegal immigrant" and truly was residing here illegally and had no papers, the US would be obligated to send the man and his family back to Mexico and let the problem be solved over there. confused I guess they would have to hold a trial... It could possibly lead to deportation. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, usually they'll deport you or hold you in jail. (I know in Mexico, possession of marijuana of any amount is automatically one year in prison and many American college students are serving in Mexican prisons for Spring Break gone wrong.) I don't want to start a confrontation here but I'm curious as to why you're always assuming that any illegal immigrant must come from Mexico. O.o
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:25 am
IceintheInk Cynical Rainbows Sounds like something that would find its way to the Supreme Court. Technically, if he's an "illegal immigrant" and truly was residing here illegally and had no papers, the US would be obligated to send the man and his family back to Mexico and let the problem be solved over there. confused I guess they would have to hold a trial... It could possibly lead to deportation. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, usually they'll deport you or hold you in jail. (I know in Mexico, possession of marijuana of any amount is automatically one year in prison and many American college students are serving in Mexican prisons for Spring Break gone wrong.) I don't want to start a confrontation here but I'm curious as to why you're always assuming that any illegal immigrant must come from Mexico. O.o That's where they mostly come from. They go as far north as possible, because there are better jobs and less of a chance of getting caught. There's a county in my state that the majority are Mexican, but the power is to the whites, blacks, and Native Americans (somewhat with that last one...) who are the minority. Anyways, it's much harder for someone from, say, Russia or China (Two of the most fled from countries that try to make a living in Washington State, along with O:! CANADIANS!) to illegally migrate here than it is for a Mexican because they have to hide in cargo ships, and that can be deadly. (Lack of the basic needs, besides shelter, I guess, for humans to be in there for so long.)
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:01 am
IceintheInk Cynical Rainbows Sounds like something that would find its way to the Supreme Court. Technically, if he's an "illegal immigrant" and truly was residing here illegally and had no papers, the US would be obligated to send the man and his family back to Mexico and let the problem be solved over there. confused I guess they would have to hold a trial... It could possibly lead to deportation. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, usually they'll deport you or hold you in jail. (I know in Mexico, possession of marijuana of any amount is automatically one year in prison and many American college students are serving in Mexican prisons for Spring Break gone wrong.) I don't want to start a confrontation here but I'm curious as to why you're always assuming that any illegal immigrant must come from Mexico. O.o The only places they could be easily coming from is Mexico or Canada. (Basically what Washu said.)
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:51 am
i just heard some statistics...like a majority of immigrants come through Mexico, but only a certain percent of those are actually from Mexico. and yes, im guessing that thats because Mexico is right next to the U.S.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:15 am
I guess so.. Everyone in England at the moment is talking about Polish people and Bulgarians coming in and stealing people's jobs... but I've never met anyone from either country.
I do know an Estonian guy called Timo, but he's a bloody good worker and without him the whole business would most likely go bust in less than a week.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:08 pm
>>;; There aren't many Europeans here, 'cept for the Russians, Ukrainians, and a bunch of other Slavic people (then the 5th generation British-Americans like myself.) BUT:
The European immigrants here open up restaurants or speciality stores, and then they try funding enough money to bring a branch of their own Church in their native language here. But then, not enough people go, because they've all taught their kids English, and the donations only barely trickle in.
And so, the restaurant business thrives! Culture for the win!
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:15 pm
I just pretty much think we're all human, and most of the people who come to other countries are trying to get a better life for their families or are running away from certain death or danger... As long as they pull their own weight and give something back to the community, generally make an effort to fit it at least partly, then I don't mind where they're from or how they got here.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:12 pm
do you think that welfare should be higher, lower, or stay the same?
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:45 pm
IceintheInk I just pretty much think we're all human, and most of the people who come to other countries are trying to get a better life for their families or are running away from certain death or danger... As long as they pull their own weight and give something back to the community, generally make an effort to fit it at least partly, then I don't mind where they're from or how they got here. I feel the same way. The world should be boarderless, but for obvious [and good] reasons, it isn't. I wish people wouldn't kill their own kind crying
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:20 am
razzledazzle5160 IceintheInk I just pretty much think we're all human, and most of the people who come to other countries are trying to get a better life for their families or are running away from certain death or danger... As long as they pull their own weight and give something back to the community, generally make an effort to fit it at least partly, then I don't mind where they're from or how they got here. I feel the same way. The world should be boarderless, but for obvious [and good] reasons, it isn't. I wish people wouldn't kill their own kind crying I very very very much agree. I argued this case with my Dad once, but he pointed out that if the world was borderless about 90% of the population would be crammed into the "best" parts of the world, and the rest of the world would be abandoned.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:44 pm
IceintheInk razzledazzle5160 IceintheInk I just pretty much think we're all human, and most of the people who come to other countries are trying to get a better life for their families or are running away from certain death or danger... As long as they pull their own weight and give something back to the community, generally make an effort to fit it at least partly, then I don't mind where they're from or how they got here. I feel the same way. The world should be boarderless, but for obvious [and good] reasons, it isn't. I wish people wouldn't kill their own kind crying I very very very much agree. I argued this case with my Dad once, but he pointed out that if the world was borderless about 90% of the population would be crammed into the "best" parts of the world, and the rest of the world would be abandoned. Well I don't exactly think that would happen, but I do believe everyone would go where there is jobs and whatnot, making the world's economy all wacked.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:41 am
I sure as hell know that if I didn't need a passport I'd be in America by now.
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Red-White-and-Brainwashed Crew
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:57 am
hmm.... well, i think if he was a legal immigrant it would be much easier, but the fact that he is illegal... that does cause a lot of problems. it's kinda hard though 'cuz you can see both sides of the story... he's just trying to help his wife out but instead of trying to get a good job or something he robs a bank and is an illegal immigrant. it's kind of like a 50/50 thing for me. i see the wrong, but at the same time i see a right.
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